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It has been a while since we did a general Alt.Mail because of the special topics discussions, all quite good. IN THE SPECIALS we had:

All of the above are on-going discussions as of February 1999.

 Here begins a new discussion:

 

 

 

I recall you saying in a previous exchange of e-mail that one of the reasons you watched "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" is that it’s one of the few TV shows to treat the question of evil seriously. I have to wonder whether you have in fact been working on the show and not mentioning it, especially after watching the episodes concerning Faith and her apparent defection to the forces of evil which aired this past fortnight. Hearing a street kid spout Nietzschean "superman" attitudes was extremely creepy, and having her show up at the Mayor’s office volunteering to replace the vampire leader she’d just killed was even more so. This is going to be one interesting ride.

As for America turning into an empire in the Roman sense, it is certainly arguable that we are already there. We have a bureaucracy that allows the Federal government to survive a Clinton, we have a professional and apolitical military that (like the legions) serves largely without questioning a leader they despise, and we certainly are exhibiting a Roman tendency to meddle in a lot of foreign affairs that don’t concern us. (What is Palestine to us, or we to Palestine? Actually, as Catholics it’s damned important to *us*, but this is not a Catholic state.)

On the other hand, the very political bloc that indulges in imperial behavior seems hell-bent on Balkanizing American society and encouraging Chicano irredentist types. Not that I think *those* particular idiots are at all representative of the great mass of Mexican-Americans, but witness the impact unelected black and Chicano "leaders" have on national politics. It disturbs my sleep quite a bit, and makes me wonder if my children are going to have to take up arms for some future Franco against the Republic. Can you imagine the "dirty wars" of South America on an American scale? It chills the blood.

Morosely,

Kevin Trainor

Mpls MN

Disturbing pictures, not made less so because a few years ago such talk would have sounded like the wildest nonsense from the fever swamps of the conspirationists and millenialists. Now such questions must be discussed.

Most Americans of Hispanic background, whether Mexican, Cuban, Spanish, or Central American, are hard working Catholic citizens or aspire to become citizens; and of course if you go to Mexico frequently as I have you will find that most Mexicans are entrepreneurial by nature, doing highly ingenious things with whatever is to hand despite a kleptocratic government that increasingly has lost even the pretence of caring for anything other than holding on to power. Few living Mexicans in Mexico are afraid of or even averse to hard work; alas, the ones who are seem to have managed to get control of much of the government there.

When I was in 4th grade geography we were required to do a term paper (rural Tennessee began such things early apparently) and I chose Mexico; we were one of the few families in Capleville to have a Britannica (the school library didn't) so I was able to crib most of it straight from the encyclopedia. The opening phrase of the entry on Mexico has remained with me ever since: "Like a beggar sitting on a bag of gold." That was in 1941.

As late as 1970 when I was Executive Assistant to the Mayor of Los Angeles, the notion of Mexican Americans as some kind of disabled minority group was ridiculous; what was needed was expansion of opportunities, and that was happening. Mayor Yorty, white Irish Catholic, carried the Hispanic areas of Los Angeles in the election of 1969 (I was one of his managers), largely on the basis of fair play.

Now, not quite 30 years later, there is a large alienated class of Mexican Americans despite plenty of objective advancement. I credit that largely to politics. Tell people they are disadvantaged and that only you can save them, and some will believe you. Those who don't tend to stop talking to those who go along with the divisive politics; the result can be petty disastrous. Add to that the general loss of parental control in all areas of the city, an escalation of violence, and a general attitude of tolerating crime and youthful rebellion, and you have a situation that can spiral out of control. It hasn't happened yet, but it could.

The public institutions of learning seem determined to preach, not the unity of the republic, but its divisions; not solidarity and accomplishments, but divisiveness and failures. This is a dangerous experiment we are running, and who knows the outcome?

 

A thought provoked by the Alt.mail discussions:

Government depends on two resources; force/coercion, and legitimacy. The latter can be broadly defined as a shared definition of the proper sources of authority. All governments need both, and neither can exist in the complete absense of the other. (Eg., even in a very harsh tyranny, the secret police and troops have to be loyal.)

As I mentioned earlier, ‘legitimizing myths’ are the way most societies deal with this. (As an aside, religion usually plays an important role in the conferring of legitimacy.)

However, our era has a problem with this that most earlier ones didn’t, or didn’t to the same degree.

In most societies, the edges of the legitimizing myths are protected by rules, either written or unwritten—if they weren’t, they could be unravelled from the outside in a bit at a time. It’s analagous to the way littering and graffitti make an area more likely to have serious crime—they ‘signal’ that there’s a loss of control. Likewise, continuous destructive criticism and visible dissent dis-empower the governing myths, by opening up a visible alternative space.

Lese Majeste was a serious crime for exactly this reason; the aura of divine authority surrounding the Crown was a very important political asset.

Not coincidentally, the French Revolution was preceeded by a generation of multi-faceted attacks on the legitimacy of Crown, Church and nobility in France; everything from the salons of the philosophes to the scurrilous pamphlets about the "Austrian Queen’s" sex life. This was, to use a metaphor, a prolonged ideological artillery barrage to ‘soften up’ the target; once the Ancien Regime’s censorship broke down from the 1760’s on, it assumed very substantial proportions. But this sort of thing was very rare prior to the modern era, and countermeasures were usually taken.

Up until a few generations ago, the "civic religion" in America served much the same purpose, and was enforced by a very broad degree of consensus, operating through local public opinion and local govenment. Attacks on the _fundamentals_ of the system really weren’t tolerated, except in a few urban enclaves, and they were isolated from the body politic by the media. Most people’s social interactions were on a localized scale, and that limited the flow of information.

Needless to say, this whole system has broken down; not simply in America, but increasingly world-wide. A combination of the spread of individualist/libertarian ‘memes’ and modern communications technology has abolished localism and undermined authority everywhere. Even the force of local public opinion, once so powerful and effective, has been muted by the ability of electronic communications to overleap the boundaries of neighborhood.

In essence, everywhere has been turned into part of the Big City. Even small towns in Utah are turned into suburbs of LA and New York.

Now, no system of legitimizing myths can be protected from being unravelled at the edges; other voices and viewpoints cannot be excluded, except by an isolation so complete and so technologically backward as to endanger the existance of the State itself. (North Korea would be a good example.)

This is, as far as I can tell, something of a historically unique situation.

The consequences are likely to be substantial.

JoatSimeon@aol.com [Steve Stirling]

I'm trying to think of a time similar. Late Roman when the Skeptics and Stoics had undermined most pagan beliefs and Christianity hadn't taken over? In those times the Army had a religion (Mithraism mostly, until again Christianity won out); have we a similar situation now?

Of course in our case the very people supposed to protect the legitimizing -- say legends rather than myths -- and core beliefs are working the hardest to undermine them. Schools would rather teach disrespect for the Republic than the unity of the Republic, and we have no national enemy. I expect we'll have to invent one, as the only thing that can unify the Republic. With luck the enemy will only appear to be a real danger…

On Demographic Collapse

Well, there are now more people over 65 in the world than under 14 -- probably for the first time in human history.

Birth-rates are _collapsing_, decreasing far more rapidly than was expected even a decade ago.

Eg., the average Spanish woman now has 1.15 children in her entire reproductive lifetime—and in some extensive areas (Asturias, for instance) it’s lower; 0.79 per woman, which means that the _average_ woman there has _no children at all_. (And overall birth rates there are _still falling_.) This means that in 30 years, there will be about 30 million people in Spain, down from 39 million now. And, of course, their average age will be much higher. That’s a conservative estimate, assuming birth rates don’t go down further... which they probably will.

It isn’t just a developed-country phenomenon, either. Brazil went from an average of 6 children per woman in the 60’s to barely 2.3 now—just above replacement level, or possibly below it, given that Brazil’s death rate is still higher than ours.

It’s similar throughout Latin America; Mexico is within a few years of ZPG levels, for instance. Demographic inertia—the large ‘bulge’ of people born earlier when fertility was higher and now entering their childbearing years— will keep population growing for a while, but that’s strictly temporary.

China, and most of East Asia, is already that low or lower (South Korea is at 1.8, lower than the US). The Carribean’s population now has an age profile nearly identical to that of the US.

The Muslim countries are experiencing a similar fall in birth rates, though it began later than in most other places.

Even Sub-Saharan Africa is following the same path; Kenya’s fertility rate went from around 8 births per woman to around 3.5 since the 70’s, and the fall is accelerating. Between declining fertility and AIDS, population growth in a broad swath running from South Africa to Zambia has stopped, and will probably go into reverse within the next 2-3 years. By the time the AIDS crisis is past, fertility rates will have dropped below the ZPG level anyway.

About 45% of the world’s people now live in areas with birth-rates at ZPG level or below. With in 10 years, that will be up to 70%, and by the 2040’s, the world as a whole will have a declining population.

That overcrowded world beloved of the cyberpunks seems to have dated awful fast. And it turns out humans don’t have a reproductive instinct after all, just a sexual one.

JoatSimeon@aol.com (Steve Stirling)

Which is of course why Social Security is in trouble: with decreasing populatino you get an aging population which has to be taken care of by the productive: one can make the older people productive again (remove the age tax for example) or one can make younger people more productive and put the burden on them. Or, you can let everyone get poorer, a solution most politicians really hate.

Of course we do get The Marching Morons: increased breeding by people who don't understand how or why to use birth control. No one is looking for indications of that for obvious reasons. Demography is one of the most politically sensitized fields in all of academia…

 

Subject: Demographics and Electronic Communications:

The Social Security problem will eventually self-solve, barring discovery of a way to reverse aging (which isn’t out of the question, but which would solve the problem another way). The big bulge of older people left over from an era of higher fertility will die off, and the demographic pyramid will become less ‘bulged’ at the top.

If you look within the broad demographic outlines, there are also some interesting sub-pictures.

Eg., the last time US (and Western) birth-rates were very low, in the 1930’s, there was a very strong differentiation between small families and quite _large_ families. That is, the overall birthrate was low, but a large proportion of children were in a small % of families, those of 3 or more children—a substantial share was in families of 6 or more, even though those were a very small percentage of the total number of couples.

This time, there’s a lot less of that. The number of large families has dropped even faster than the overall birth-rate. They haven’t vanished, but they’re not demographically significant; the median child lives in a household with something quite close to the median number of children.

And, of course, this decline in birth-rates is hitting worldwide, not just in the developed nations. My own personal guess is that the spread of electronic mass-media into even the poorest and most backward countries is crucial here.

Eg., there are areas of rural Nepal—that’s as remote as you can get— where the % of arranged marriages has gone from 99% in the 1970’s to less than 2% now. Since open courtship or contact between young men and women remains difficult in those areas, the standard form of marriage there is now a clandestine exchange of letters, followed by elopement!

The village elders are quite upset, since the elopements often cause economic difficulties and cross caste barriers, but there’s nothing they can do about it in the face of a spontaneous and nearly universal rebellion against the old way of doing things.

The crucial variable seems to be satellite TV—Indian soap operas and movies, with their heavy stress on romantic love. Like a saturated solution, the TV ‘crystallized’ opinions among the younger villagers.

What’s really surprising is the _speed_ of changes in areas as fundamental, and previously as hard to change, as marriage and reproduction.

Different _methods_ of birth-control are also starting to have a significant impact.

The "traditional" methods—from barrier methods like condoms through to the pill—require consistent application and, in the case of the barrier methods, very considerable self-control. The latter also require agreement by both parties.

The newer methods, like Deepo-Provera and Norplant, are one-off; they only have to be used once in a very long while (years for Norplant, months for Deepo-Provera), and the other (male) partner doesn’t even know about them unless told. The same applies in spades to surgical sterilization, of course, which has also become much easier and quicker over the last decade or so.

This has extended the reach and effectiveness of birth-control quite dramatically; in this country, it’s had a notable role in the little-noted plunge in births among inner-city black teenagers, now down to levels not seen since the 1950’s.

(_Married_ black Americans now actually have a lower birth-rate than their white counterparts, which disguises the drop mentioned in the previous paragraph. The number of black unmarried mothers is now, proportionate to the total number of black women in that age-group, much lower than it was quite recently, but the percentage of illegitimate births among blacks remains high because of the very low level of _legitimate_ births. It’s an interesting statistical artifact. Without illegitimate births, of course, the number of blacks in America would already be declining.)

The very newest methods, the ones in the research stage now, will cause even greater changes. They mostly involve manipulating the immune system rather than directly changing the hormonal balance; for example, by fooling the woman’s immune system into treating sperm as foreign proteins and attacking them. They generally only have to be used _once_ but unlike surgical sterilization, they’ll need only a simple injection, much like a vaccination.

I suspect we are in for interesting times. The real problem is that voluntary family limits tend to be heavily concentrated in the upper classes and among the smartest people; as Niven once said to Asimov, "You are persuading the people too dumb to read your works to have lots of kids while those who do read you don't have children. Is this what you wanted?" [JEP]

PART THREE:

Actually, the social-class gap in birth rates is now far, far less than it used to be; it seems to be passing away, like the developed/underdeveloped gap. It was a phase phenomenon—the fertility reduction started among the upper-middle-class, like most social developments, and spread from there. By now it’s reaching the furthest crannies and nooks; in America AFDC disguised this trend for a while, but changes in the system are allowing it to proceed.

As far as I can tell from the literature, it’s a matter of "reference groups". Women decide on how many children to have (once it’s possible for them to do so) by looking at a "reference group" of other women.

In traditional societies, this meant looking at the neighbors, members of the same religious grouping, etc. (Men have surprisingly little say in the matter, except in some cesspits like Afghanistan.)

In a more modern setting, women tend to look at either (a) the social group just above them, or more recently at (b) women in the mass media.

That way, low-fertility norms either soak (in the case of the (a) type) or torrent (in the case of the (b) type) down the social scale.

That’s particularly apparent and rapid in 3rd-world settings, where Western cultural influence hits the upper classes first. They then pass on the new patterns down the social scale, both directly and through the media. In Brazil, demographers were puzzled by the immediate and drastic drop in fertility in remote villages which got satellite TV...

... until they investigated, and found out that the younger women in the villages (and city slums) were now using the women they _saw on TV_ as their "reference group". And the women in the soap operas from Sao Paulo all had small families. So, to be fashionable and modern, they started hitting the family-planning clinics. After a while, they noticed that this left them with more money and less work, and from there it was kitty bar the door.

In Western countries like Britain that went through the demographic transition a little earlier than the US, it looks like the pre-1700 pattern, where fertility was _inversely_ proportional to wealth, is re-establishing itself. Large chunks of poor people decide they just don’t want to have children; it’s expensive and a lot of work.

JoatSimeon@aol.com [Steve Stirling]

Well, it is certainly expensive, and it is certainly a lot of work; I am not myself convinced that the problem of the Marching Morons (or more accurately as described in The Little Black Bag, one of the finer stories of that ilk) is going away, but I hope you are right.

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CHINA AND THE BOMB

I thought you might be interested in the following item from today’s

New York times (free registration required), at

http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/asia/030699china-nuke.html

 

as well as this one, from today’s Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/china/china.htm

 

Though the Times article doesn’t mention it, the W-88 is the high-yield, relatively compact MIRVable warhead used in the Trident-II D5 SLBM.

While knowing that a thing can be done is half the battle, the other half required to actually do it is still quite a bit of work. Thanks to the Clinton Administration, the Chinese have been given the opportunity to bypass 10-15 years, and billions of dollars, worth of research in developing a MIRVable warhead they can use on both land-and submarine-based ICBMs.

If this isn’t treason, I don’t know what is.

Roland Dobbins <roland_dobbins@yahoo.com>

Treason consists of levying war against the United States and giving aid and comfort to its enemies, which generally means war time; China is not officially an enemy of the United States, and therefore this cannot be treason. I say this because it is the sort of thing we are accustomed to hearing from the White House, and it is likely we will hear it again; and it will in fact be true. So treason this was not. And since the President is exempt from the official secrets acts, and can grant such exemption (including exemption from requiring a clearance) to anyone he wishes, I suspect you are going to find that nothing illegal was done.

Besides, isn't it good policy to make the Chinese feel more equal? Why should we have technology advantages over them? Surely the world is a better place when we are all equal in technological ability, and we can go back to a MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) doctrine, this time with regards to China, the USSR no longer having the ability to destroy us and therefore to deter our military extremists from aggression. Therefore this is in the national interest.

I say that because I suspect you will hear one or another form of that argument soon enough also.

My view is that active espionage will always succeed at least to some extent, and if you wish to stay well ahead in the technological war, you must continue to develop new technology; but then we said that in The Strategy of Technology in 1970 and I have seen on reason to change that view.

 

 

Regarding your reply to R. Dobbins on "Treason":

>nothing illegal was done

The President being explicitly above the applicable laws. The old question "Is the Constitution a suicide pact?" suddenly seems relevant.

I would love it if 60 Minutes or whoever it was would repeat their big feature on the "Swallow’s Nest," –and add just 3 minutes or so at the end on B.C’s Oxford career and the subsequent trip to Moscow. But I don’t suppose it would matter. Everyone’s minds are set in concrete now, and few will budge.

 

>and therefore to deter our military extremists from aggression

You mean the ones set to bomb Serbia, I trust.

Mike Juergens (mikejuer@netnitco.net)

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From: Francisco García Maceda (maceda@pobox.com)

Subject: Alt Mail 5

Dear Jerry:

I simply had to add something to this comment by Kevin Trainor

"Can you imagine the "dirty wars" of South America on an American scale? It chills the blood."

 

Maybe you should point out to Mr. Trainor that most of those dirty wars he is alluding to had a lot to do with the US Government and/or US companies. He should read a little history of the CIA, the American Fruit Company, etc. You may also remind him that the US was fully involved in the very first "dirty wars" (the Mexican-American war that ended with the annexation of Texas to the US, the Spanish-American war that ended with the annexation of Puerto Rico and Guam by the US) and in some of the latest ones (Grenada and Panama come to mind).

I simply try to establish a little historical accuracy; I have nothing against the US, but when an illiterate US citizen demeans a Geopolitical area and it’s inhabitants as second class for something in the most part due to US interests and involvement it infuriates me.

Truly yours

Francisco García Maceda

Maceda@pobox.com

 This is a rather distorted picture of history. The newly liberated Mexico and later the Empire of Mexico under Santa Anna didn't want Texas colonized and didn't want to do much with it; the Texicans had an agenda entirely different from being part of the United States (and at least some Texans today wish they never had done so). As to "dirty wars" it was not the USA that invented the deguello and the black flag. Wars are not pretty, but the contest between the US and Mexico in the early part of the 19th Century was a contest between two former colonial powers, each with a different view of its future and destiny; it was probably inevitable that the conflict be settled by force of arms.

As to United Fruit, they weren't in much evidence in Argentina, which was fair to becoming a Great Power at one point before the Peronista reforms, which changed the very nature of the country. Certainly the United States was involved in Central America; but the CIA didn't exist at the time of the War with Spain, which was popular in the United States largely because Spain was not the kindest or most humane colonial power around.

Nor was the United States much involved in the Chaco Wars and some of the other major bloodletting south of our border, which rivals our Civil War in bloodiness.

All of which happened in the past, and quite distant at that. Latin America has had the fortune or misfortune to be a small but important part of the Seventy Years War between the United States and the USSR; most Latin American nations didn't choose to be battle grounds, but then few people do. Viewing post WW II history as merely a continuation of pre-WW I history doesn't stand up to analysis.

And I at least didn't get the generalization from Trainor that you seem to have inferred.

As to condemnation of the US conquest and pacification of the Philippines, I doubt you could be as scathing as many of our own poets have been. Never did he dream that his bullet's scream went far far wide of the mark, and lodged in the heart of his native land, as she stumbled and sinned in the dark…

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I have known Ed Hume for many years. At one time he was one of my "regulars" at the intellectual cocktail parties I hosted at American Association for the Advancement of Science meetings. He was at that time an Army psychiatrist. He has since opened a private practice, acquired a law degree, married and acquired a family, and hasn't much time for annual treks to science meetings. This year he spent an exchange tour in a New Zealand hospital. His reports, alternated with his wife Sue's reports, on adjusting to Kiwi life have been wonderful to read, and I hope he makes a book of them. If he doesn't I'll try to get their permission to put them here.

The following, though, is on a somewhat more serious theme; one well worth thinking about here in the US. Herewith, Ed Hume, MD, LlD, on public medicine:

 

Ed here.

The emergency department of the local hospital is called A&;E, for Accidents and Emergencies. Last Saturday night a woman with a forty-year history of psychiatric illness stuck a needle in her head. It was about 3 cm long. Apparently the surgical resident did not have time to see her, and did not look at the x-rays. But he said that because the area is filled with important blood vessels and nerves (it is near the orbit, the bony casing around the eye), he said that it was in too delicate a situation to operate, and had the emergency physician send the lady home with a "special" (a nurse to sit with the patient to prevent further acts of self harm) and the admonition that the needle should be left to "work itself out". The lady was brought back to A&;E on Sunday, and sent back home. I heard about this Monday and assumed the patient would be seen that day. By that afternoon I relearned that ASSUMED makes an ASS of U and ME: she had not been returrned to the hospital. I called the hospital to talk to the director of A&;E. He was out at cricket (an all-day affair). I called again this morning and got him away from his office. He was a bit disturbed by what I told him (mind you, the psychiatric nurse had seen the x-ray and was under the impression that the needle had gone through the skull; I hoped this was not the case, but I didn’t know). This afternoon he called me from his office and said that he had seen the x-rays and was not at all happy. This was the kind of thing, he said, that he would like to see taken out. It was, after all, near the orbit. I asked if he could "organize" a visit with a surgeon to have the matter tended to. He was able to arrange for a surgical registrar (physician in training) to see the patient at 1 p.m. tomorrow.

Res ipsa loquitur.

The above incident may speak for itself, but it is merely one of the more outrageous episodes in Kiwi medical care. People are on waiting lists to have growths removed, hips replaced, etc. Patients must wait 2 months for EEG’s. The drug-buying agency is forcing patients to switch from meds that control their blood pressure and heart ailments to meds that are cheaper. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera (thank you, Yul).

They budget a certain number of each kind of operation each year. I remember that old joke, "I take a bath once a week, whether I need it or not." Like that. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The Club of Rome approach to healthcare (they put out the report Limits to Growth and advocated rationing resources).

And remember, the people affected are most Kiwis. Only the rich have health insurance, and because there is such a small private market there is little in the way of private services.

The only people who find this situation unremarkable are doctors from the UK, where I gather the system is a bit more stingy, at least for psychiatric patients. Doctors from South Africa find the situation shocking. And there are no doctors here from Australia that I have met.

A wonderful place to visit, but don’t get sick here.

Things may differ in Auckland, but not from what I hear.

I have heard a South African doctor describe care here as Third World.

But we on the CAT Team work hard. We go out and make the Kiwi commitment laws work (more on that at a later time). We get people into treatment. We talk on the phone. We Help.

The people I work with are wonderful. But for every take-charge doctor (the head of A&;E, for example) there are several buck-passers. And oh, the bureaucracy. Never have so many labored so fulsomely to deliver so little care to those who need it. It all makes the New York state bureaucracy look simple by comparison.

You may think the US system is iniquitous. It is. But at least most people get adequate care.

I have heard some people advocate a single-payer system for the US. Beware. Come to Kiwi-land to see where that leads you.

I am reminded of what made the Club of Rome’s report irrelevant: the rising price of commodities caused more resources to be developed, and more to be recycled. Companies looking for profits found ways to do the same job using different technologies and fewer and different materials. I can see where a lot of medical care can done with alternative technologies. As long as there is a market, invention will thrive. But a top-down approach won’t work. If you don’t believe it, come here and work.

Now I guess I’m beginning to sound like Donna-June-Harriet. But what a weekend we have in front of us. We are going to see volcanic lakes, geysers, bubbling mud-pots, water theme parks, amusement centers, rides, beaches, a boat ride through the glow worm grotto. Five days of fun and music, and nothing but fun and music, and God bless you for it (with thanks to Mr. Yasgur): Rotorua (no no, NOT Roto-Rooter) and Taupo. Tourists know about Rotorua, but Kiwis all go to Taupo. We’ll do both, with the Waitomo Caves on the side. And it’s up north, where the weather is warmer (not that it’s cold down here, but it’s no longer hot every day all day).

Sue will tell you all about it.

Cheers

Ed

This needs no comment from me, other than the following explanation: Donna-June-Harriet is the name Sue Hume writes when she is speaking of matters that would have, in girlhood, caused her and her friends to blush; think of it as another name for Pollyanna.


Reading through Alt.mail, I came across the discussion on self-government and of what it consists.

When researching the "Island in the Sea of Time" series, I did a fair bit of reading on the Town Meeting system, as traditionally practiced in New England -- something that goes back to the system established in the Danelaw in the old country, and in turn to the "thing" of ancient Scandinavia, the assembly of all the freemen of a district.

(The "Great Migration" to Massachusetts in the 1630's was largely from the eastern part of the country; East Anglia and Linconlshire, the old Five Boroughs of the Danes, were very prominent.)

In New England, Townships and their Town Meetings fullfilled most of the functions the County did elsewhere in the American colonies and later the US.

It's a surprisingly practical way of getting things done, on a local scale; issues get thrashed out at length, and by the time a majority agree, everyone is thoroughly familiar with them. In the old days it did everything from establishing what ear-croppings you used on your pig to appointing a fence-inspector, through admonishing husbands who drank too much and on to other stuff like encouraging millers to set up in the township. Sort of a combination of legislature and court, with the added duty of picking the executive committee to run affairs between meetings.

The system does, however, require a community with a fairly intense degree of consensus on basic issues and sense of communal solidarity; which, of course, the deliberately selective quality of the Puritan migrations which founded New England ensured for a long time. It also assumes a well-educated voter with a certain quality of flinty common sense. That's the only way a system like that could work among such stubborn, argumentative people.

It certainly produced a social matrix much more tightly governed than most of the US liked, judging how closely it's restricted to areas of heavy Yankee (in the strict sense) settlement. On the other hand, the political culture it established accomplished remarkable things -- certainly closer to the "peaceable kingdom" than most.

The Meeting wasn't as autocratic or self-selecting or aristocratic as a Virginia parish vestry, but it was also far more powerful when it chose to move on any given issue. Democracies can be.

Among other amusing things in doing the "Island" series, I tried to come up with the sort of Constitution a group of modern (but heavily old-stock) Yankee types removed from the contemporary world would produce, basing it on the Town Meeting setup they were familiar with and which is still very much alive on Nantucket.

A surprisingly high percentage of people there are really passionately involved with the Meeting, perhaps because it deals with stuff that affects their lives directly, like building regulations. They've got the most ferociously restrictive development code I've ever come across -- even voted to outlaw McDonalds, unless they agreed to delete the golden arches and make the building gray shingle with white trim.

Among other things, I quizzed actual Nantucket residents on the issue. (Surprising how ready people are to cooperate with writers, isn't it?)

There was a fair degree of unanimity on a lot of things. For example, pretty well everyone said that in that situation (their island the seed-core of a new Republic) what they'd want would be a confederation of autonomous Town Meetings with automatic provisions for "fissioning" when they reached a certain size, sending delegates to a central assembly, but retaining many powers.

The Swiss militia system also had a lot of support.

Yours, Steve Stirling