| Thursday,
July 22, 2004 This is all done by
handwriting so bear with me. But it works on an airplane.
X-33 query dick@alphalink.com.au
Dear Sir,
I have been an avid reader of yours for many years and
I will buy any book with your name on it.
I have just discovered 'Chaos Manor' and I love it !!
I am a recently retired aircraft engineer and when the
X-33 was being developed I followed its progress with keen interest. I
suppose I had a wish that if Venture Star was built and operational I might
be able to save up my pennies and afford a quick trip into space.
Sadly this was not to be and I was very disappointed
when I heard the news that the program had been scrubbed at a time when the
prototype / demonstrator seemed to be about one month from first launch.
Could you or perhaps one of you readers possibly
explain what went wrong ? Was the idea behind the project fundamentally
flawed or was it a political decision because Venture Star was seen as a
threat to the people who supply parts and services to the shuttle program.
I heard that US$ 13 Billion was spent on this project.
A lot of money to spend on a flawed concept.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
Richard Woodhouse Australia
This requires a longer answer than I can give
here. The X-33 was not alas a real x project. Lockheed had long wanted a lot
of money for ground tests that they thought would show how to build a VTO
- HL SSTO rocket. Some of their technical people were sure
they could make it work if they could do some ground tests, particularly on
aerospike engine configurations for altitude compensation. I thought it premature. We Needed an x
program first: incremental tests, not a one big effort to a final
design.
Then the Lockheed engineers who
conceived the system lost a political battle and it was decided they
would go. The company went for profit on the X-33 contract. after that
the result was inevitable. They designed in tanks that wouldn't be
constructed and a bunch of stuff that was ill conceived, and it never flew
because it wouldn't fly.
X -33 Was Never an X project.
We still need a good X program on SSTO . It needs to do
incremental flight tests.
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The FBI abuse of the bacteria guy is hardly
surprising. This is what happens when you give guns to lawyers.
Am I alone in thinking that the FBI would be doing its
job much better if they went back to their original function, which was
acting as an information clearinghouse and accompanying local police for
Federal-charge arrests?
Matthew Joseph Harrington
mjhfinder@earthlink.net
I have always thought so.
Dr Pournelle,
Which way would you like the votes to be fixed?
This has just come to my attention. I am assured (and
am convinced) it is no joke.
http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html
In it the author comments:
The net impression is that GEMS [the Diebold
Software] was designed to be tampered with in ways that would evade the
detection of local elections officials.
California Elections Code 19205(c) specifies that
any certified electronic voting system "shall be safe from fraud or
manipulation". GEMS doesn't qualify.
Note that we haven't covered any of numerous other
possible issues: GEMS contains a large number of DLLs which can have all
sorts of hidden, funky features. Worse, Diebold supplies the Windows system
to the customer on a pre-set machine; the Windows code itself could be
hacked to hell and gone and it wouldn't be tested in a lab.
This program should never have been certified. It is
a fraud, and quite possibly part of a literal coup attempt. Whoever
certified this thing at the state and/or Federal level should be subject to
serious scrutiny and review, as should the entire certification process.
This is NOT hyperbole, or "conspiracy theory" - this
is an outright disaster in the works and undermines everything the United
States stands for.
As a non-American, I dont want to say too much, but
concluded the best thing is to bring it to your attention
Jim Mangles
A long time ago I had Dan Alderson look at
the electronics vote count for California when I was a Campaign
manager. That was the punched card system. It preserved a paper
trail and was satisfactory. Now to accommodate stupid voters we
go to systems more easily defrauded. why not ?
We prefer to make this easier for knaves to
make It Look easier for dummies. Why Nor?
=================
Now a long but important message .I leave it
to you to decide on its Value. ...
Jerry,
Resending this memo because I realized that the first
version might come to you as an attachment since I forwarded it.
This is one way of looking at recent events...probably
coming from the Neojacobian side, but it does present an argument to think
about.
Jim Woosley
This is one that everyone MUST read. We're in
the most important battle of our nation's history. If we don't understand
the enemy's intentions we're doomed to failure. Don't buy the liberal
baloney that we can "be nice" to these people and they'll leave us alone.
Pass as far and wide as you can.
Larry
Subject: Another look at the Third Jihad
>This is an extremely well written article
explaining what we are facing today in the War on Terrorism. The article was
written back in January of this year but is still appropriate to the
situation we find ourselves in today. In essence, not all has been laid on
the table relative to why we invaded Iraq. While the article is rather
lengthy it is worth your time to read what is being said by Larry Abraham
pertaining to the Third Jihad. It provides you an entirely new perspective
over and above what you see on TV and read
in the papers or in Bob Woodward's new book.
>We are in very serious times and need to
understand what befalls us if we back out of Iraq now for whatever reason.
The issue is much bigger than just Iraq. As Larry Abraham says in his last
paragraph, "We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for
many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are
facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results will be
catastrophic." The upcoming November election is an extremely important
decision making time for all Americans and the rest of the free world.
>EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS ONE AT LEAST
TWICE!! >
>**********************************************************************
>Subject: Another Look at The Third Jihad
>THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT
CALIPHATE
>by Larry Abraham, January 29, 2004
>I urge all of my readers to make copies of
this report and send them to your friends and relatives. The information is
too critical to be over looked in the madness of this election year.
>Watching and listening to the Democrat Party
candidates is tantamount to enduring the Chinese
water torture. The blah, blah, blah goes on and on
and nothing of value comes out except the pain of listening to the same
nothingness over and over again. I won't take the time or space to repeat
what you have heard so many mind numbing times but what you have not heard
is crucial.
>President Bush and his administration
spokesmen are not telling the American people what they really need to know
about this "war." If they don't do that between now and November it may cost
them the election. > >The war against terror did not begin on September 11,
2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in
Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger
context of this encounter, but an important one none the less. > >This war
is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the "Third Great Jihad." They
are operating within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the
very creation of Islam in the seventh century and are presently attempting
to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two
hundred years of its existence. No religion in history grew as fast, in its
infancy, and the reasons for the initial growth of Islam are not hard to
explain when you understand what the world was like at the time of
Muhammad's death in 632 AD. Remember that the Western Roman Empire was in
ruins and the Eastern Empire, based in Constantinople, was trying
desperately to keep the power of its early grandeur while transitioning to
Christianity as a de facto state religion. The costs to the average person
were large as he was being required to meet the constantly rising taxes
levied by the state along with the tithes coerced by the Church. > >What
Islam offered was the "carrot or the sword". If you became a convert, your
taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn't, you
faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make, unless you were a
very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning, even the theology was
not too hard for most to swallow, considering that both Jewry and
Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is but one
God-Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the pre-Christian
Jewish prophets of the Torah (Old Testament). Both were called "children of
the book"--the book being the Koran, which replaced both the Old and New
Testaments for former Christians and Jews. > >With this practical approach
to spreading the "word" Islam grew like wild-fire, reaching out from the
Saudi Arabian Peninsula in all directions. This early growth is what the
Muslims call the "First" great Jihad and it met with little resistance until
Charles Martel of France, the father of Charlemagne, stopped them in the
battle of Tours in France, after they had firmly established Islam on the
Iberian Peninsula. This first onslaught against the West continued in
various forms and at various times until Islam was finally driven out of
Spain in 1492 at the battle of Granada. > >The "Second great jihad" came
with the Ottoman Turks. This empire succeeded in bringing about the downfall
of Constantinople as a Christian stronghold and an end to Roman hegemony in
all of its forms. The Ottoman Empire was Islam's most successful expansion
of territory even though the religion itself had fractured into warring
sects and bitter rivalries with each claiming the ultimate truths in "the
ways of the Prophet". By 1683 the Ottomans had suffered a series of defeats
on both land and sea and the final, unsuccessful attempt to capture Vienna
set the stage for the collapse of any further territorial ambitions and
Islam shrunk into various sheikhdoms, emir dominated principalities, and
roving tribes of nomads. However, by this time a growing anti-western
sentiment, blaming its internal failures on anyone but themselves, was
taking hold and setting the stage for a new revival known as Wahhabism, a
sect which came into full bloom under the House of Saud on the Arabian
Peninsula shortly before the onset of WWI. It is this Wahhabi version of
Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in
almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites. > >Wahhabism calls
for the complete and total rejection or destruction of anything and
everything which is not based in the original teachings of The Prophet and
finds its most glaring practice in the policies of the Afghani Taliban or
the Shiite practices of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. Its Ali Pasha
(Field Marshall) is now known as Osama bin Laden, the leader of the "Third
Jihad", who is Wahhabi as were his 9/11 attack teams, 18 of which were also
Saudi.
>The strategy for this "holy war" did not begin
with the planning of the destruction of the World Trade Center. It began
with the toppling of the Shah of Iran back in the late 1970's. With his
plans and programs to "westernize" his country, along with his close ties to
the U.S. and subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the
soft target. Remember "America Held Hostage"? > >Thanks, in large part to
the hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter State
Department, the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his
armed forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete. The Third
Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its grand
design or what they call the "Great Caliphate". > >What this design calls
for is the replacement of all secular leadership in any country with Muslim
majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, all the
Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon,
Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia and finally what they call the "occupied
territory" Israel. > >As a part of this strategy, forces of the jihad will
infiltrate >governments and the military as a prelude to taking control,
once the >secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in
>Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation and in Egypt with the murder >of
Anwar Sadat, along with the multiple attempts on the lives of >Hussein in
Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt and Musharraf in Pakistan. Pakistan >is a
particular prize because of its nuclear weapons. (Please note al >Qaeda call
for the Islamic-militant overthrow of Musharraf in Pakistan >on March 25,
just yesterday.) > >The long-range strategy of the Third Jihad counts on
three strategic goals. First, the U.S. withdrawing from the region just as
it did in Southeast Asia, following Vietnam. Second, taking control of the
oil wealth in the Muslim countries, which would be upwards to 75% of known
reserves; third, using nuclear weapons or other WMDs to annihilate Israel. A
further outcome of successfully achieving these objectives would be to place
the United Nations as the sole arbiter in East/West negotiations and
paralyze western resistance, leading to total withdrawal from all Islamic
dominated countries. > >Evidence of the Bush Administration awareness of
this plan is found in the events immediately following the 9/11 attack. The
administration's first move was to shore up Pakistan and Egypt, believing
that these two would be the next targets for al Qaeda, while Americans
focused on the disaster in New York. The administration also knew that the
most important objective was to send a loud and clear message that the U.S.
was in the region to stay, not only to shore up our allies but to send a
message to the Jihadists.
>The attack on Afghanistan was necessary to
break-up a secure al Qaeda base of operations and put their leadership on
the run or in prison. The war in Iraq also met a very strategic necessity in
that no one knew how much collaboration existed between Saddam Hussein and
the master planners of the Third Jihad or Hussein's willingness to hand off
WMDs to terrorist groups including the PLO in Israel. What was known were
serious indications of on-going collaboration as Saddam funneled money to
families of suicide bombers attacking the Israelis and others in Kuwait.
>What the U.S. needed to establish was a
significant base of operations smack dab in the middle of the Islamic world,
in a location which effectively cut it in half. Iraq was the ideal target
for this and a host of other strategic reasons. Leadership of various
anti-American groups both here and abroad understood the vital nature of the
Bush initiative and thus launched their demonstrations, world-wide, to "Stop
The War". Failing this, they also laid plans to build a political campaign
inside the country, with the War in Iraq as a plebiscite, using a little
known politician as the thrust point--Howard Dean. This helps to explain how
quickly the Radical Left moved into the Dean campaign with both people and
money, creating what the clueless media called the "Dean Phenomenon".
>By building on the left-wing base in the
Democrat party and the "Hate Bush" crowd, the campaign has already resulted
in a consensus among the aspirants, minus Joe Lieberman, to withdraw the
U.S. from Iraq and turn the operation over to the U.N. And, if past is
prologue, i.e., Vietnam, once the U.S. leaves it will not go back under any
circumstances, possibly even the destruction of Israel. Should George W.
Bush be defeated in November we could expect to see the dominoes start to
fall in the secular Islamic countries and The Clash of Civilizations,
predicted several years ago by Samuel Huntington, would then become a life
changing event in all of our lives.
>What surprised the Jihadists following the
9/11 attack was how American sentiment mobilized around the president and a
profound sense of patriotism spread across the country. They were not
expecting this reaction, based on what had happened in the past, nor were
they expecting the determined resolve of the President himself. I also
believe this is one of the reasons we have not had any further attacks
within our borders. They are content to wait, just as one of their tactical
mentors; V.I. Lenin admonished..."two steps forward, one step back". > >A
couple additional events serve as valuable footnotes to the current
circumstances we face: the destruction of the human assets factor of the CIA
during the Carter presidency, presided over by the late Senator Frank
Church. This fact has plagued our intelligence agencies right up to this
very day with consequences which are now obvious. And, Jimmy Carter himself,
the one man who must bear the bulk of the responsibility for setting the
stage of the Third Jihad. Americans should find little comfort in how the
Democrat contenders constantly seek the "advice and counsel" of this
despicable hypocrite.
>Lastly, we should not expect to see any
meaningful cooperation from Western Europe, especially the French. Since
failing to protect their own interests in Algeria (by turning the country
over to the first of the Arab terrorists, Ammad Ben Bella), the country
itself is now occupied by Islamic immigrants totaling twenty percent of the
population. > >We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on
for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we
are facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results
will be catastrophic. Imagine a world where al Qaeda regimes control 75% of
the world's oil, have at their disposal nuclear weapons, legions of willing
suicide soldiers, and our national survival is dependent on the good graces
of Kofi Annan and the United Nations.
>There is one final footnote which may be the
scariest of all. Either none of the Democrats currently leading the drive to
their party's nomination are aware of the facts of the Great Caliphate and
Third Jihad or they do know and they don't care so long as their power lust
is satisfied. But, I can guarantee you one thing for sure: some of their
most ardent supporters are aware of this and will do anything they can to
bring it about.
>**************End of
Report************************
>Note....this was written before John Kerry had
the nomination sewed up...but recent events clearly demonstrate that Kerry
is going to fulfill Abraham's prediction of the Democrats calling for the UN
and the French/Germans/Spain coalition to force the US out of Iraq. Also
understand that the current 9/11 hearings are a political 'show' and
Clarke's book were timed for these hearings and the campaign. And this is
why Condoleezza Rice is seeking a private meeting with this commission to
'tell it like it is'. The national security issues involved around 9/11
cannot be an open book to the public, and I believe we have to understand
that. > >This is scary stuff. President Bush and the Republicans are
obviously extremely cautious in bringing this issue to the campaign because
the left-leaning media and the Kerry Democratic left would call this
'racist' against Islam and a distraction for the alleged lies of WMD and our
reasons for going into Iraq. Bush correctly referred to the 'axis of evil'
(Iran, Libya, Iraq and North Korea) as a pointed strategy to blunt the WMD-terrorist
movement and he has been very successful in thwarting al Qaeda, despite what
everyone on the left says. We are far better off without the threat from
Iraq and Libya Π all within the last 12 months. We are threatened in
Pakistan and if Musharraf is assassinated (it's been tried several times in
the past year), we can see how the militants will gain control of Pakistan's
nuclear weapons, which have already spread to Iran (by a militant Islamic
scientist) and if Musharraf is 'taken out' we have both Iran and Pakistan as
militant Islamic power bases armed with nuclear weapons. And let's not
overlook Abraham's issue about the potential for militant Islamic states who
would control 75% of the world's oil.
>This probably why Dick Cheney, Rice, Powell,
and Wolfowitz are so committed to the belief that we are in this struggle
for the free world as we have known it and focused on defeating the militant
Islamic-al Maida's global strategy. They skirt the core issues raised by
Abraham in this article because of the political-correctness implications,
but after reading this, you understand what is at stake here. Kerry and the
liberal Democrats want control of Washington at any price. Abraham clearly
spells out what price that is: Victory for al Qaeda and the Islamic
militancy. Abraham's article brought all of these issues together and why it
is important for us to gain this perspective and educate our friends and
associates. > >This is a deeply impressive, cogent, and intelligent overview
of the militant Islamic movement. Pass on Abraham's article to those who
have a need to know, which is just about everybody.
>James T. Clifford Program Manager, WMD
Training The International >Association of Chiefs of Police
===========
Dr. Pournelle,
There are a few good parts to the Third Jihad article,
but it seems mostly like more campaign rhetoric involving a conspiracy
theory, and not well done, at that. Just a few high spots (starting with the
positive):
First, the overall historical direction and context of
the Third Jihad seems interesting and plausible, whether its's driven by
personal ambition or religion. It should be understood, discussed in public,
and addressed. This new long cold war should be planned strategically and
fought subtlely, more often with culture than tanks. I can't say I see that
happening yet. BTW, just like it was in the last cold war and all the hot
wars, freedom is the best weapon the US has, strategically and tactically,
and giving it up would be a huge mistake. We should be increasing 'personal
freedoms', not limiting them.
Second, if the Wahabbi's / Saudis et. al. are planning
an oil-funded takeover of the world, the last thing the author should want
is a President with a history of significant oil business dealings with
them. He should want a President with no real or percieved conflict of
interest in an oil-funded cold war, who is willing to stop funding the Third
Jihad by achieving energy independance regardless of the impact on the oil
industry (via nuclear power, earth/space solar power, increasing auto/SUV
mpg standards, oil tariffs, high gas taxes, 55 mph speed limits, etc, etc).
That the author doesn't call for anything like that leads to a better
conspiracy theory for the Liberals (e.g. the neoJacobins are greedy war
profiteers) than it does for the neoJacobins (e.g. the Liberals are stupid
dupes). I'm pretty sure the author didn't want that.
There are other gotchas like that (e.g. claiming the
Bush Administration has always known all about the Third Jihad, but then not
explaining why they didn't make terrorism and energy / oil independance
their number one and two priorities the instant they gained office), but
this statement I dislike intensely: "The national security issues involved
around 9/11 cannot be an open book to the public, and I believe we have to
understand that." No, we don't have to understand that. Seems literally
anti-American, since we're supposed to be an informed citizenry, and not a
bunch of subjects. Maybe it is neoJacobin philosophy. After all, they want
power, and a common line from any political movement that wants power is:
1. There is a scary conspiracy ("This is scary stuff")
that only we take seriously. 2. Our leader is the only one who can protect
us. 3. Our leader can't tell us how he will protect us - it's secret. 4.
Anything our leader does, particularly the wierd or contradictory or bad
stuff, is part of this secret effort to protect us. 5. It's us vs. them.
"They" are all evil, period, and to be with "us" you must think and do
whatever we say.
Which looks a lot like what the Wahabbis are saying,
come to think of it. I'd rather stay conservative.
Tom
Why so would I...
I am leaving this to the readers. I am working
through a thin pipe and mostly without a keyboard...
Conventional wisdom says that Shi'ites and Wahabi hate
each other and won't work together, contrary to Larry Abraham's assertion.
Certainly, Iran spent a good deal of time and money throughout the nineties
making trouble for the Taliban in western Afghanistan.
Yet, after October 2001, we started getting open
source reports of Al Qaeda and even Taliban leaders taking refuge in Iran,
and admissions by Tehran that they had some AQ people "in custody" and would
either try them or deport them. We have no public evidence that either has
occurred in the 3 years since 9/11.
Some counts (unverified) show nearly 400 known AQ
members in Iran, with the full knowledge of the Iranian government. The
Iranian mullahs don't play patty-cake. Why is it that these Shia-hating
Wahabis aren't dead or serving hard time?
Permanent alliance between Shi'ites and Wahabis is
probably impossible. But "temporary" can be a long time. Khamenei and Bin
Laden could conceivably have an alliance of convenience, and be planning to
duke it out after the victory.
I find Abraham to be believable, which is not the same
thing as believing him. I'm not sure the Iranians are in league with our
direct enemies, al-Qaeda. But I don't think they're our friends, and they
could well do business with AQ.
Iran qualifies as a real state, moreso than Iraq,
Sudan or Afghanistan. An insurgency supported by a real state can continue
indefinitely, to paraphrase the fictional Dr. Whitlock.
Steve Setzer
Dear Mr. Pournelle,
To try to take as little of your time as possible, I'm
trying to be brief.
On the education debate, you made a statement that
teachers credentials should not be issued by teachers unions or Departments
of education. If not them then who?
Disclosure: Both parents are teachers, a brother , a
sister, some friends. My mother was a union rep. The union here does not
give, or determine the requirements for credentials. Here being
Philadelphia. The state did until recently. I am not saying that they have
done a good job. Or that a union could do better. But who else could
concievably do better ? Assuming that an Ed. Board member or union had
teaching experience. Lawyers, Economists, Physicists ? Even your self. In
your letter your list your degrees. That tells me what you know (hopefully).
Not that you can convey it. Your books do that. Even so, can you teach a
second grade class every day for 30 years? I don't expect so. Maybe High
school physics. So I don't think you can do the second grade job. Therefore
I don't expect you to know how to regulate or credential it. But the Ed.
Boards and teachers unions at least have a chance of getting it right. At
least the 10 percent that isn't common sense. ( And you know how common that
is.)
On Fallujah. You don't have to sack the city. But
something should have been done to show that this was not acceptable
behavior. To be effective it had to happen within 24 hours of the incident.
Be known by looking at it why it was done. And not kill innocent people.
Given that we don't know who the bad guys are, and won't probly in 24 hours.
My opinion is to use the solution the people chose. The bridge.
A fighter firing a missle close to, but not on the
bridge, at closer intervals ( time and distance) would clear it of people.
Then 10 or so thousand pounders directed at each support of the bridge.
Delivered one at a time over five minutes. From a B-52 so high up only the
contrails are visible. I believe they would have understod the message. With
only a minor adjustment to the city's life. And no dead. (There was a second
bridge.)
Mike Trois MCBTr@aol.com
PS: Just for information. Are you still offering a
reward for a non reaction engine? Do you have a link to the details if you
are. Things like how big a vacuum chamber is available for a ballistic
pendulum test?
Let local school boards decide who should
teach. they can seek advise or not but they should be
responsible for results, and let them choose teachters.
I guarantee if you have a reactionless
drive that works you will get rich. You Need no reward from me.
=====================
In the Washington Times recently, great article on
Annie Jacobsen's experience with Syrian "musicians" but also includes other
warnings, like this:
"A second pilot said that, on one of his recent
flights, an air marshal forced his way into the lavatory at the front of his
plane after a man of Middle Eastern descent locked himself in for a long
period. The marshal found the mirror had been removed and the man was
attempting to break through the wall. The cockpit was on the other side."
Good, freaking, night! A man of Middle Eastern descent
trying to break through the lavatory wall into the airplane cockpit! Why do
you suppose he wanted to do that?
I'm sorry, but when I'm on a plane, I'm not worried
about black kids from Compton, Hispanic moms from Texas, blonde teenagers
from St. Paul or a visiting Chinese grandma from Taipei. Elderly Marines
with the CMH don't bother me either.
"Profiling" hell. Our family is flying next week, and
you can bet your bottom dollar I'm watching closely anyone who looks or
sounds Middle Eastern.
It's a bad world when your children's bedroom has a
sign in it saying "Let's roll." It's a worse world when you and your wife
have to decide you'll do the same thing if needed.
Steve Setzer
I have not heard this one before. Cum grano salis?
I would think it would be well known and the guy charged with all kinds of
things...
And we have
Subject: Mystery of Middle Eastern Musicians Solved.
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/taylor200407211921.asp
Michael J Smith emmenjay@zip.com.au
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Dr Pournelle,
Keeping it in the family
http://msn.ancestry.com/landing/strange/bush4/tree.htm
Jim Mangles
Odd...
AND GLORIOUS
Subject: Glorious
Jerry, You may already have received a dozen
notifications of this, but in case you haven't, newly scanned images from
Apollo 11 are now available at
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html <http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html>
. Note that this is for high-bandwidth connections only, and has already
been slashdotted for much of today. If at first you don't connect, keep
trying.
Chuck Wingo chuck@wingonet.net
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