| Monday
February 11, 2002
It is late and Niven has sent me a lot
of stuff, so this is short shrift again I fear.
Dr. pournelle: Please be so kind as to post where
you found the Battle Hymn - I have heard much about the event at our
National Cathedral but have never seen/heard it.
Thanks James - another Enron Refugee
http://www.cspan.org/terrorism/terrorism_
search_results.asp?SubCategory=&month=&day
=&year=&keyword=national+cathedral
-- Roland Dobbins <mordant@gothik.org>
Dr Pournelle,
You mentioned on your website that you had been searching
for a recording of the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" performed
at the National Cathedral memorial service. If you don't need that exact
performance, you can certainly find any number of recordings of that
*arrangement*, since it's the single most-performed arrangement I'm aware
of. It's by PETER J. WILHOUSKY (1902-1978), and Carl Fischer has it in
print.
As performed at the service after 9/11, it did have
a few changes to the Wilhousky score (omissions, not actual changes in the
parts sung), so an alternative recording might not suit your needs. I,
naturally, prefer it as performed "whole."
David W Needham
Breaking news from Robert Racansky:
(Tuesday: the morning paper makes this nugatory or apparently so...)
Glenn Reynolds was blogging about the trouble in
Venezela since December 2, 2001 on his website InstaPundit.com (his posts
are reproduced below the following news story). Now the Venezuelan
national guard is predicting a coup "within a matter of hours."
Keep an eye on this.
If I remember correctly, Venezuela was one of our
largest suppliers of foreign oil in the mid 1980s...
http://www.thenewsmexico.com/noticia.asp?id=18920
National guard captain says Venezuela rebellion
"a matter of hours"
Jacques Thomet, AFP - 2/11/2002
CARACAS - A National Guard captain said in a
newspaper interview published Sunday that Venezuelan military officers
were prepared to rebel against President Hugo Chavez "in a matter of
hours."
Asked about a possible revolt by the more
dissatisfied members of the military, Captain Pedro Flores told the El
Universal daily that "we expect one in a matter of hours."
Chavez brushed off the possibility that members of
the military would call for his resignation after Thursday's march of
thousands of civilians to the presidential palace, led by an air force
colonel who openly called for Chavez's resignation. <snip>
http://instapundit.blogspot.com/?/2001
_12_02_instapundit_archive.html
Posted 12/2/2001 10:56:55 AM by Glenn Reynolds
VENEZUELA'S PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ has been denouncing the United States
and, essentially, supporting the September 11 attacks. Nor is he alone.
His vice president said this:
"[There is] terrorism of the oppressed,"
she declared, "because there is also terrorism of the
oppressors." "[Terrorism] is a perverse sub-product of WASP
[White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant] domination," she added, explaining
that such domination "becomes intolerable to the more radical and
violent of the oppressed and leads them to desperate, destructive and
murderous outbursts." Leaving aside the question of why Western
intellectuals haven't denounced this obvious racism (compare the silence
on this with the response to Silvio Berlusconi's remarks about Western
cultural superiority), the United States needs to make clear that people
who say this sort of thing will pay a price, and we need to find subtle
ways of putting the squeeze on the Venezuelan government.
This is a war. If you're against us, you shouldn't
expect to get off scot-free. Ordinarily, America-bashing is a political
freebie for Third World leaders. That has to stop. The sooner that people
realize we're serious, the fewer problems we'll have.
None of which I know much about.
Thanks. Today's Times has a small inner page story on changes in the
Venezuelan armed services.
And we were born
free, weren't we?
Dear Dr. Pournelle: The following is of interest: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58189-2002Feb11.html
I've attached the text below. I have two comments:
1. The security Nazis are more of a problem than the
terrorists. Bin Laden's boys may be murderous, but they aren't prone to
hysteria.
2. Bush needs to get off his duff and correct the
situation. Replacing the FAA administrator, Secretary of Transportation,
and DOT security head is indicated. And Bush himself should forfeit a
month's pay for appointing these imbeciles.
V/R: Mike McDaniel
Text is: Arrest Made Under New Flight Rule
The Associated Press Monday, February 11, 2002; 2:14
PM
SALT LAKE CITY -- An airline passenger who allegedly
got up to go the bathroom less than 30 minutes before landing became the
first person arrested under a new federal flight regulation adopted for
the Olympics.
Richard Bizarro, 59, could get up to 20 years in
prison on charges of interfering with a flight crew.
Bizarro was on a Delta flight from Los Angeles on
Saturday when he allegedly left his seat 25 minutes before landing,
despite two warnings from the captain to the 90 passengers to stay put as
required under the 30-minute rule adopted for Salt Lake City by the
Federal Aviation Administration.
Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the
plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the
rest of the flight.
Bizarro? It does make one wonder.
But then we live in odd times.
So put your hands on your head or be
shot or face 20 years in prison because someone tried to go to the
bathroom.
Of course the special arrangements
were because the Chief of State was going to Salt Lake at the time. But
let's everyone go buy an airline ticket.
I think the technical name for this
is "tyranny". Is Bush working at becoming a tyrant?
Ah, but if only the Little Father
knew, then Russia would not be ruled so. Oops.
Dear Dr. Pournelle, I know you must have a lot of
mail on the subject, but I felt compelled to add my observations about air
travel in the New Empire. I am a very frequent traveler, typically logging
over 10,000 miles per month. This means at least 30-40 boardings and
concomitant security screens per month in about 10 different cities. I
typically fly on one of three large US airlines and feel qualified to
speak on the subject.
First, the actual flying itself is pretty much the
same as usual. There are some exceptions such as the strange fact that the
silverware provided in first class contains a heavy stainless fork (a good
weapon) and spoon but a plastic knife. Flight attendants seem somewhat
less friendly (although I fear this was a trend before the tragedy). On
United, there is an obsession about the area forward of the first class
bulkhead. One can no longer stand in or across from the galley while
waiting for the toilet to become available. You must wait in your seat and
have the good reflexes to beat the other passengers to the door.
And while things are not as bad as John-Eric’s
experience would suggest, security screenings are completely broken. There
is a horrible lack of consistency. Some airports require the removal of
shoes as a matter of course, some only if you are a hand wand victim.
Other airports only wave the wand at your shoes if you are the ‘randomly
selected’ passenger at the boarding area. By the way, being culled out
in the boarding area is to be avoided at all costs. By the time the ‘randomly
selected’ sap is boarded, all the overhead space is completely gone.
This used to happen to me about once in every 10 flights, but I have now
discovered how to avoid being selected. There are different strategies for
different airports and airlines but it is pretty easy once you figure it
out.
I have forgotten about my manicure set in my carry
on several times, it contains a menacing 6-inch nail file and a dangerous
cuticle remover. It has never been confiscated, even when my bag has been
hand searched. The hand searches are so cursory as to be completely
useless. I could easily get a real weapon on board with just a bit of
effort and planning.
All that said, I have no choice but flying or
finding a new profession. I will continue to fly even with the
inconvenience. That is all it is, because the next real organized acts of
terror will use some other modus operandi. After all, the cockpit doors
are beefed up and the crews and passengers will subdue anyone trying a
9-11 type attack. No, we will next see a propane tank explosion, a car
bomb in a crowded downtown, perhaps an oil tanker full of fuel oil and
fertilizer in San Francisco Bay.
Jerry, get back on a plane. It’s the patriotic
thing to do.
--Dave
Even Andy Rooney was upset on 60
Minutes last night. When the Designated National Curmudgeon starts in,
perhaps someone will listen. Perhaps.
Hi Jerry
Ive noticed you bemoan the state of affairs in the
US on occasion. I thought it may be educational to your readers to see
that it's not just the US govt that acts in an asinine manner. This story
speaks for itself. http://society.guardian.co.uk/housing/story/0,7890,646236,00.html
Regards Liam Walsh
Joel Rosenberg on The Crazy Years
file:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp-dyn/articles/A36204-2002Feb6.html
Well, not that there's not enough to raise my --
thankfully low -- blood pressure, but:
When Ben was in eighth grade at Blue Ridge Middle
School in Loudoun County in 1999, he was suspended for four months because
he took a knife away from a schoolmate who told him she was considering
suicide. The school board called Ben's action "noble" and
"admirable." Then they threw him out of school. Zero tolerance,
kid; you had the knife.
Ben's family sued to reverse the insanity -- and
lost.
I guess that'll teach him.
Ordnung! The Rules Must Be
Obeyed! Your papers, please.
We also have this:
Dear Friends,
In a stunning political development, the senior
educational appointees of Gov. Gray Davis's Administration have moved to
restore California's system of bilingual education by nullifying crucial
provisions of Proposition 227.
During the 1998 initiative campaign, Democratic Gov.
Davis had been a leading opponent of Proposition 227, intended to
dismantle failed bilingual programs and replace them with intensive
English immersion. However, following the measure's landslide victory, he
had repeatedly pledged to comply with the letter and spirit of the law,
and support it against legislative attacks.
Then late last week, Gov. Davis's appointees to the
California State Board of Education voted overwhelmingly to support newly
proposed regulations allowing bilingual education teachers rather than
parents to make the decision on whether children should be placed into
bilingual education programs, thereby nullifying a core provision of
Proposition 227.
Furthermore, these new regulations also eliminate
the Proposition 227 requirement that English learners be taught English
for at least the first thirty days of every school year. The combination
of these two changes would essentially reestablish California's system of
bilingual education for 1.5 million immigrant students.
Former Inglewood Principal Nancy Ichinaga, one of
California's strongest opponents of bilingual education, was the sole
dissenting vote on the State Board.
Most recent polls show Gov. Davis trailing his
likely Republican challenger, former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan. In
recent months, California's highly-organized bilingual education advocates
have apparently taken advantage of Gov. Davis's political weakness to
mount a quiet but intense lobbying campaign on this issue.
Documents obtained from the State Board of Education
indicate that the new regulations were developed at a series of secret
meetings held between Davis administration appointees and bilingual
advocates at the office of State Sen. Richard Polanco, chairman of the
Latino Caucus. John Mockler, the veteran Sacramento educational lobbyist
who currently serves as the Executive Director of the State Board, had
previously served as Secretary of Education in Gray Davis's Cabinet.
Information on the State Board and its members can be found on their
official web site: http://www.cde.ca.gov/board/bio.htm
Gov. Davis has stressed that all his political
appointees are expected to conform to his policy positions or immediately
resign their positions.
Ironically, this dramatic apparent reversal in the
educational policies of the Davis Administration comes just as the
California Department of Education has released new official statistics
indicating that limited-English students who avoid bilingual programs
perform far better academically than do their bilingual peers.
For example, in 2001, limited-English 2nd graders
not in bilingual programs were 170% more likely to be reading at or above
grade level than their counter-parts in bilingual programs. This data can
be found on the official web site of the California State Department of
Education, and is summarized in the following PDF link: http://www.onenation.org/0202/CA-Test-Results-DEC-01-5.pdf
This extraordinary U-turn in the educational
policies of the Davis Administration was quickly condemned by Michael
Barone, the influential long- time editor of the authoritative Almanac of
American Politics. Barone is also the recent author of The New Americans,
a critically-acclaimed book on current immigration issues:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/
ASIN/0895262029/qid=1013399867/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/
103-4897775-5222215
Just eighteen months ago, Barone had published a
laudatory column praising Gov. Davis for his promise to fully enforce
Proposition 227. In television appearances, Barone has frequently
denounced bilingual education programs for their disastrous role in
preventing immigrant children from learning English, and has gone so far
as to characterize them as "evil."
As the column indicates, Barone is currently giving
Gov. Davis the benefit of the doubt, speculating that the effort to
reestablish bilingual education in California represents a rogue political
operation, taking advantage of the Governor's preoccupation with energy
policy and other pressing state matters.
Now that the facts have been uncovered, Davis's
response will quickly indicate whether or not Barone's charitable
interpretation is correct.
Any recipients of this column are obviously welcome
to contact the Gray Davis Administration and help clarify its official
position on reestablishing bilingual education in California by nullifying
crucial provisions of Proposition 227.
Sincerely,
Ron Unz, Chairman English for the Children http://www.onenation.org/columns.html
================
"Debating bilingual education" The
California State Board of Education is on the verge of undoing Proposition
227 Michael Barone, US News Friday, February 8, 2002
A set of regulations proposed by an obscure
administrative agency in Sacramento threatens to undo one of the most
successful and momentous reforms of public policy in the United States
over the past 10 years.
That reform was Proposition 227, passed by a wide
margin by California voters in June 1998, which limited foreign language
instruction in public schools to one year, unless parents requested a
waiver. For nearly three decades, California's "bilingual
education" programs kept children in Spanish language instruction for
three, five, or even seven years. As a result, Latino students too often
never fully mastered English, scored poorly on tests, and were not fully
able to take advantage of the opportunities offered by the bounteous
economies of California and America. This was no trivial matter: Millions
of young people were affected. California in 2000 had 4 million Latinos
under age 18, 1 out of 3 young Latinos in America.
Proposition 227 has been a resounding success. From
1998 to 2001, Latino test scores have shot upward in California. The
percentage of Latinos with reading test scores above the 50th percentile
increased from 21 percent in 1998 to 35 percent in 2001. The percentage of
Latinos with math test scores above the 50th percentile increased from 27
percent in 1998 to 46 percent in 2001. These are cold figures. But think
for a minute of their effects on individual lives. Opportunities are being
opened up for hundreds of thousands of young Americans. The effects on
millions of lives-and on the quality of life in the nation as a whole-are
incalculable.
But these gains are now jeopardized by regulations
proposed by the California State Board of Education. These regulations
would eliminate the requirement that all limited-English students under 10
spend the first 30 days of every school year in an English-language
program before a waiver allowing them into Spanish-language instruction
could be obtained. Perhaps even more important, they would give teachers
rather than parents the right to apply for waivers to place students in
bilingual programs.
Giving teachers the right to request waivers
undermines the whole program. Until 1998, California Spanish-language
teachers were typically paid a premium over ordinary teachers' salaries;
they and their unions tried to keep people in Spanish-language instruction
to maximize the number of such teaching positions. In addition,
administrators also strove to keep children in Spanish-language
instruction, for ideological reasons or simply, in the quaint phrase, to
keep more money coming into the building. The State Board of Education's
regulations would give greedy teachers and administrators and those
determined to frustrate the will of the voters the ability to overturn
Proposition 227.
These regulations would also overturn the policy of
Gov. Gray Davis. Davis opposed Proposition 227 in 1998 (as did his
Republican opponent, Dan Lungren). But Davis has also adopted a policy of
conscientiously carrying out the letter and intent of referendum measures
passed by the voters, even if he opposed the measures initially. He has
done so at some political cost. He has vetoed measures passed by the
heavily Democratic legislature to undercut or overturn Proposition 227. He
has come forward with his own measures to help Spanish- language children
and parents master English, including a proposal based on Hebrew language
instruction in Israel. Davis learned from his experience as chief of staff
to Gov. Jerry Brown in the 1970s that a governor can pay a political price
for undercutting the will of the voters as expressed in referendum and
that a governor who does so also produces less-than-optimum policy
results. He has acted on this insight. Gray Davis deserves much of the
credit for the sharp rise in test scores by California's Latino children-a
trend of national significance.
So it is surprising that the members of the State
Board of Education, all of them appointees of the governor, are on the
verge of acting to undercut the will of the voters, which Davis himself
has been scrupulous to observe. Davis has said on several occasions that
he expects his appointees- indeed, even his appointees to judgeships-to
keep the promises he made to the voters in his campaign. One of those
promises was to carry out policies established by the voters in referendum
even when he took the opposite position. Perhaps he is just not aware that
his appointees on the State Board of Education are breaking his promises.
A governor has to keep track of many things, and Davis's record entitles
him to a presumption of good faith. But isn't it about time that he get
the word to the State Board of Education and tell them not to overturn a
policy that was passed by the voters and whose happy results are one of
the important successes of his administration.
==========================
"In plain English" Bilingual education
flunks out of schools in California Michael Barone, US News, Monday, May
29, 2000
The character of American life 50 years hence will
be determined not only by decisions in the White House or speeches on the
campaign trail but by what happens in elementary school classrooms where
immigrants' children are learning-or not learning- English. So leave the
campaign behind and visit Suni Fernandez's second graders in Laurel
Elementary School in Oceanside, Calif., a modest- income town just south
of Camp Pendleton and 35 miles north of San Diego. Sixteen of the 18
pupils there have parents who are immigrants from Mexico or elsewhere in
Latin America; two arrived from rural Mexico during the school year; in
most of their homes the only language spoken is Spanish. But these second
graders are reading and writing in English.
It was not always so: Two years ago most of the
instruction would have been in Spanish. As one boy reads from an
unfamiliar text with the fluency and comprehension one would expect in an
upscale suburb, Fernandez says he could not have done as well until sixth
grade under the old system. At the end of the school year, 13 of her 18
kids are rated as fluent by the state LAS test. "Up to two years
ago," she says, "only one student would have been rated as
fluent." Many families hand down stories of how immigrant
grandparents learned English in school and then moved on to success. The
same thing is happening today in schools like Oceanside's.
But for many years, Latino kids failed to learn
enough English to score well on tests and qualify for good jobs, thanks to
"bilingual education," which in most cases was neither bilingual
nor education. Latino politicians and foundation- funded activist groups
gave loud public support to it while often admitting privately that it
wasn't working. Education schools spun theories of how kids would learn
English better by learning in Spanish, and teachers' unions pocketed dues
from "bilingual" teachers who got $5,000 bonuses. Democrats
reflexively voted for it, and Republicans paid it no heed: It wasn't their
kids.
Test scores up. Then Palo Alto entrepreneur Ron Unz
sponsored Proposition 227, which limited Spanish-language instruction to
one year in most cases. It passed by a wide margin in June 1998. Oceanside
Unified School Superintendent Ken Noonan, who is of Mexican descent and
was once a bilingual teacher, opposed 227. But when it passed, "we
decided to implement the law as written," despite a protest march and
candlelight vigil. Oceanside went from more than 150 to zero bilingual
classes and also moved to phonics and basic math. Many teachers were very
skeptical. "The first one or two months are the hardest," Noonan
says. But then "immersion seemed to work. When parents saw the
progress the kids were making, they were overjoyed." Test scores show
Oceanside's immersion is working: The May 1999 state-required Stanford 9
test showed scores for the early grades-those most affected by the switch
from bilingual-rose from the 35th percentile to the 45th in just one year.
The San Jose Mercury News found similar sharp rises in test scores for
Latino children in immersion all over California.
Not all the news is good. At least 12 percent of
California Latinos are still in bilingual instruction, and the Los Angeles
Unified district, the nation's second largest, has tens of thousands in
its "Model B" program, which, a grand jury ruled last year, does
not comply with 227. And Alice Callahan, a longtime activist who runs Las
Familias Del Pueblo community center in L.A.'s garment district, says that
older students who went through bilingual programs lack the language
facility needed for standardized tests. "Kids go to high school and
get A's and B's and get visions of college in their heads. Then they get a
350 on the verbal SAT, and for the first time they learn they aren't on
the playing field," she says.
Callahan criticizes "professionals who say
these kids can't learn" and praises Gov. Gray Davis, who opposed 227
but has insisted that the law be carried out and has vetoed bills passed
by the Democratic legislature to undermine it. He has called for extending
227's adult English-learning classes from $50 million to $400 million,
with an 8-to-12-week immersion program modeled on one in Israel. The
glaring contrast between California's high-tech success and its
near-bottom-level student test scores jarred Davis when he learned in 1995
that most Cal State University students needed remedial reading or math.
"My No. 1 concern is improving student achievement, and I will not
run again if test scores don't go up," he says. He appointed to the
state school board Nancy Ichinaga, a 26-year elementary school principal,
who never allowed bilingual programs and whose tightly structured
immersion and phonics programs have produced near-top test scores in
modest- income, heavily black and Latino Inglewood. Ichinaga, Davis,
Noonan, Fernandez, Callahan, Unz, for different reasons, all believe that,
as Davis puts it, "every kid can learn, can do better." After a
lost generation, Latino kids in California are finally learning, in plain
English, like immigrant children did a century ago. Will other states
follow?
Ron Unz
Ron has been a champion of English
instruction. Bilingualism doesn't work for many republics. In California,
Spanish Only is a key to a dead end career. But being a bi-lingual teacher
makes the teacher more money. So guess who has the strong lobbies? Not
bright kids in Spanish households...
For more see
below
And a voice from the past:
Hi Jerry,
Great to see you on the web, ha, where have I been?
I love your writing!
You probably don't remember me. How many thousands
of products have your reviewed? I made a very non-memorable, except by me,
memory expansion unit called "the SideCar" for the NEC-8201
Laptop computer about 20 years ago, in my garage, in California. I
remember we sent one to Wayne Green, or two or three, because he could not
get it to work, no way no how and so he blasted it in one of his many
magazines, Pico I think, or maybe another one, and when we got old Wayne
to send me his 8201 to look at, and I discovered the cartridge connector (
hand soldered to the bottom of his 8201 by someone in Japan) had a bad
solder joint, he didn't un-blast it. I re-soldered the joint, all the
problems went away and it worked great, but when I asked for a mention in
his mag, he said something like: "Well, it doesn't matter now because
the 8201 is obsolete." It was 1986. We made memory for it and the
Model-100/102's for the next 10 years! Funny, the things I remember.
I remember you. You're the one that was kind to me
and my new product. Thanks for that. It had problems, but we sure did our
best to do right by every customer, and did.
Back in '83 I made the first non-Tandy memory module
for the Tandy Model-100, a 3 pound instant -on laptop that operated for 20
hours on 4 AA batteries and had a built-in modem. I took out a 1/2 page
purple ad in a very new magazine called Portable-100. My memory product
was based on a 8k static RAM chip and sold for one third the price of
Tandys. It was a hit, people got a real kick trusting a company named
Purple Computing and saving over $150! We sold enough by 1988 that we (me
and my girlfriend) could semi-retire to the woods of Oregon next to a
river. I tried to find you at a Comdex once in the '80's but didn't. Still
almost in a garage, but still here, and still having fun, everyday,
learning, growing, and still trying to make good memories -- not just the
RAM type.
mybest, larry,
Lawrence Henry Berg, Purple Computing, 2048
Southside Rd, Box 100, Murphy, OR 97533 USA Voice: 541-479-8087, Fax:
-8089 http://pfranc.com
Purple's memory expansion and
Traveling Software's "Ultimate ROM" made the NEC PC 8201 the
best laptop for writers in existence. I loved that little box.
And for fun
Dear Dr Pournelle,
As you might imagine, The Lord of the Rings had some
notoriety here. One thing we had found a little disconcerting was that a
large part of the scenery reminded us badly of home, that is the parks and
countryside around New Zealand, especially Wellington. It was harder to
suspend belief in the real world when "Hey, isn't that the river near
Castlepoint" is succeeded by "That's Milford Sound, but what on
Earth have they done to Mitre Peak!?" I guess this problem is acute
for Hollywood denizens.
Even so, I can't wait for the next one. Reviews are
uniformly positive, but I wasn't expecting the man whose filmography
included "Brain Dead" to do the trilogy justice. Boy was I
surprised. We went there as a family: even my preteen girls thought it was
supercool (a new adjective?). Though not completely familiar with the
book, I knew a few liberties had been taken when I remembered Arwen was
not responsible for drowning the black riders, but rather another elf; so
I seized on Aaron Pressman's link to Rateliff's three-part review of the
Lord of the Rings. The subject header grabbed me: " (i) The Road to
Kiwi-Land" - which led to an interesting point:
"Best of all, Jackson found a way to include
"the walking bits" -- those scenes Tolkien had so feared would
be cut from any film adaptation. Instead of fast-forwarding through the
journey to the destination, Jackson has used these parts of the film to
show off spectacular New Zealand scenery and drive home what every reader
of the book knows: Middle-earth itself is one of the major appeals of the
story, and downplaying the setting in favor of more action scenes would be
a sad mistake. "
A major reason for shooting here would have been
cost and convenience rather than scenery. Labour and materials here are a
lot cheaper, there's no question about political stability, and murders
are still front-page news. Still, one can't help thinking that he might
have been better off shooting in the US or Canada. NZ is indeed a lovely
collection of islands, but all of them put together are only around the
size of the UK; rather more than a hundred thousand square miles. I've
seen the Rockies and parts of California which could have stood in for
Middle Earth, and photos of Washington State and B.C. suggest those areas
too would be even closer to ideal. I hear the actor's unions in L.A. are
grumbling about the tendency for US-financed movies to shoot overseas, and
can't help but sympathize.
Regards, TC
-- Terry Cole tcole@maths.otago.ac.nz System
AdministratorDept. of Maths and Stats, Otago UniversityPO. Box 56, Dunedin
NEW ZEALAND fax:64-3-4798427
Niven and I hike in the old Santa
Susanna Hills: you can see the locations of scenes from Destry Rides
Again, Stagecoach, and dozens and dozens of other movies wherever we walk.
"Just up there is the pass they'll head them off at..."
Agreed about "the walking
bits."
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