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Go to PREVIOUS MAIL WEEKS: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 Fair warning: some of those previous weeks can take a minute plus to download. After Mail 10, though, they're tamed down a bit. IF YOU SEND MAIL it may be published; if you want it private SAY SO AT THE TOP of the mail. I try to respect confidences, but there is only me, and this is Chaos Manor. PLEASE DO NOT USE DEEP INDENTATION INCLUDING LAYERS OF BLOCK QUOTES IN MAIL. TABS in mail will also do deep indentations. Use with care or not at all. I try to answer mail, but mostly I can't get to all of it. I read it all, although not always the instant it comes in. I do have books to write too... I am reminded of H. P. Lovecraft who slowly starved to death while answering fan mail. If you want to send mail that will be published, you don't have to use the formatting instructions you will find when you click here but it will make my life simpler, and your chances of being published better.. NOTE that while some of these are put in order received, I also move things around to arrange by topic; so the NEWEST may NOT BE AT THE BOTTOM. That is probably not the right way to do it. Suggestions welcome: would it be better to put the letters in order posted, but index them in a different order? HIGHLIGHTS: Begin with Andy Peters on Cookies: Success with STB 4400 AGP and AMD K6-2 US Robotics web site and some interesting links to look at about Merced
Moshe Bar on Linux and Power Management Resource Depletion and the Strategy of Technology David Mitchell on Telepresence
Moving Eudora to a new machine Outlook and "FROM", and observations on Word vs Word Perfect LINUX
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On Outlook, Linux, and other matters THE FUTURE of MAIL and Discussion groups Wingate and other Net Access stuff for home networks alt.mail continues. Feel free to ignore its existence. You've Got Mail: I knew I'd seen it before DUAL Processor CELERON: a source Micropayments
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Andy Peters [apeters@noao.edu] Replies to Robert Bruce Thompson on Cookies Robert: Ive been reading your comments about cookies on Jerry Pournelles web site. I agree with you - cookies are, at their best, an annoyance. At their worst... ? And using a browsers cookie-control features isnt much help. Anyways, you mentioned programs such as Cookie Crusher which can help deal with cookies. Ive been using something called @guard, by WRQ. ( http://www.atguard.com) I stumbled across it a couple of months ago, when it was in its first beta. Now, I normally dont install beta software on my machines (I need them to work; I really dont have much time to experiment!) but this seemed simple enough. As it turns it, the beta wasnt bug-free (uh, blue-screen-of-death, anyone?) but their tech support has been excellent and the release version (v2.2) has been completely stable. I was invited to test the new v3.0, and I find that to be stable, too. I imagine that the new release will be out in mid January.Whats it do? Several really neat things. First, it has smart cookie control. When enabled, it checks pages for cookies and pops up a dialog asking you if youd like to kill all cookies for a domain, allow all cookies for a domain, or selectively allow or kill individual cookies. Refer fields can also be blocked. It also blocks ads and ad graphics. It looks for certain strings in URLs and if it matches an ad, the ad is never downloaded. You can also drag ad (or other annoying) images to an "ad trashcan" which adds the URL of that ad to the list of blocked locations. You can also kill script-based popups. You can stop animated GIFs from spinning, too. Theres also a "firewall" feature, which allows you to control TCP and UDP access to and from your computer. This is very handy, especially if you suspect that someone is doing low-level network attacks. When inbound packets arrive, the dialog pops up and asks if youd like to restrict or allow communication from the remote server. It looks at all ports, not just common ones like http and ftp and such. Theres an outbound control, too, which honestly I dont find to be very useful. Theres a handy statistics window, and the new version (v3) will have a "dashboard" feature which shows the number of open ports, whats going on where, etc. v3 will also allow you to control ActiveX stuff. The software is available for a free 30-day evaluation and costs $29 for the regular (not timed) version. DISCLAIMER: No, I dont work for them, but they did send me a very nice sweatshirt for helping to track down bugs. Sorry if this sounds like an ad, but this little program actually works.
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"In the beginning, there was darkness. And it was without form, and void. And there was also me!" -- Bomb #20, John Carpenters "Dark Star" Thanks. I'll get a copy of that. == Robert Peters [rjpeters@integrityonline15.com] Dr. Pournelle, A few weeks back I e-mailed you notice of a website telling the story of an intrepid soul who had removed IE4 from his Win98 by surgery. I wrote that I had not replicated his experiment. I have now and report success. The basic technique is to remove three Win98 files and replacing them with their Win95 equivalents (ComDlg32.dll, Shell32.dll from c:\windows\system and Explorer.exe from c:\windows). Because Shane Brooks (the originator of this technique) has stringent hardware limitations, he goes on to wipe out superfluous sections of the C:\Windows directory tree and Windows Registry. I have removed the directory tree but not the Registry entries. Since then I have loaded and run Netscape Communicator 4.04 and QuickTime 3.02 with complete success. Mr. Brooks reports good results with his applications though Win98 Notepad and Wordpad did not work. I took him at his word and replaced the pads with the Win95 counterparts. For owners of Win98 and Win95 CDs I think Mr. Brooks technique works quite well. He is also offering de-installation batch files for test. His website: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ssbrooks/98lite
Regards, Robert Peters Thanks. I'm not sure I dislike IE enough to do that. I'm having some interesting times, but mostly with screen savers and sleep systems on non-Intel systems. Maybe when I get all that solved I can play tweeksie with IE == David B. Dutton [ddutton@trib.com] Dr. Pournelle, I recently purchased an AMD K6-2 350 MHz chip, and FIC PA2013 motherboard and a STB Velocity 4400 AGP. You've probably done this already, but after I flash upgraded the video cards bios to ver 1.1 and downloaded both the last drivers AND the vision 3.01 software everything works great. I will say that the installation routine needs much work. It failed to install the drivers correctly, and hung my display up. After I reinstalled WIN98, I first installed the drivers, then the vision 3.01 software. I haven't had any problems since. The one thing I've learned from alternate chips (I owned one Intel, an 8086) is that it pays to check the web site for compatible motherboards. Twice now I've seen good deals on motherboards that weren't compatible with the CPU I wanted to run. Thanks for your time, David Dutton I wish I could say the same. I thought I had downloaded all the upgrades; perhaps I have missed one. I'll try again. We are having awful problems with this video board and AMD K6-2 chips, although the problems are all the same, if it goes to sleep it never wakes up I also have problems shutting down and restarting. I may just have found one of the difficulties though....
Eric Pobirs [nbrazil@ix.netcom.com] After looking around a bit Ive found that others are noticing problem with running cutting video boards on Super 7 motherboards. This site, very similar to Toms Hardware, has a review of the soon to be released AMD K6-3 (256K of full speed onboard cache is its distinction) and makes mention of the problem briefly in the concluding remarks. http://206.132.42.114/html/review_display.cfm?document=321&;pagenum=1
AMD and its chipset partners must work out these issue if they expect the K7 to be taken seriously in the high end market. Precisely. Me, I'm going to Celeron-A and P-II for my next experiments. But we do seem to have stabilized the K6-2. ===
Jerry P. U.S. Robotics I noted your displeasure with the U.S. Robotics Home Page. I also was appalled by the site but less so since the updated modem, the same as yours, and works much faster than before. I use Net Medic to watch my downloads and find that I get peaks of pages in the 70's. Assuming that Net Medic is really measuring this, it is significantly better. The Windows Y2K update even downloaded in a single session, after about 6 failed attempts. I also use Vramdir although I haven't run any tests to see if it really improves performance. I would be interested to hear any opinions on that program. I got on Anandtech.com and found an interesting article on the IA-64, EPIC, architecture of the new Intel processor, Merced. The article is worth reading for anyone who is interested in what is coming down the road. Also, the article links to an Intel site that is great: http://developer.intel.com/design/processor/future/next/sld023.htm. If you go there, read the whole set of slides as it is something that a ME like me can understand, well kind of.Charles Simkins PS: I am still waiting for Microsoft to come out with firmware chips to insert into my computer that will offer fast startups, like my Palm Pilot or any of the palmtops etc. that run WinCE. Any comments? Stick with Windows 98. It has its bugs but a new set of bugs is refreshing at times as I was bored with the old Windows 95 bugs anyway. Charles Simkins
Bored. I suppose you could put it that way Certainly my modem works MUCH better now that I have done the update, so I can't complain about that. But the USR web site could be improved, even by me, in organization They need Trellix, I think. If you like Windows 98, you'll be insane over 2000 . ---
Jerry Have you tried the "Power Management" applet in the control panel? The one that came with my version of Win 98 allows me to say "Never" to standby mode, as well as set power off times for the hard drives and the monitor. You can even set up schemes or use defaults, such as "Always On". I believe this will solve your problems. (Im using Win98 on an AMD k6-2 300MHz / MSI board system and have had none of the problems youve described....)
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If I disable all power management and let the monitor stay on all the time I have no problems. I always turn off the power down feature on disk drivers, since it saves nothing. Monitor power, though, is considerable, and the power savings worth while, so I have been trying to find ways to suspend monitor power and still recover the system. See today's views. ==
<<It uses no more power than a light bulb. The starting and stopping eat power and wear things out which use power to replace. Monitor power is one thing. The rest is something else.>>
You know, I really wonder about PC power consumption. I have an eval APC Smart-UPS 1000/Net under my desk right now. It has a set of LEDs to indicate the percentage of load. The first one indicates 17%, or 170 VA. Just for the heck of it, I tried connecting a lamp to the UPS. With the UPS driving a 100 watt light bulb, none of the LEDs illuminated. With a 150 watt bulb, the first LED flickered on. Because a light bulb is a purely resistive load, VA equals watts, so that indicator LED is pretty accurate. Right now, I have two computers connected to that UPS. One is a Dell XPS-M200s 200 MHz Pentium with 64 MB, three hard drives, and a 15" monitor. The other is a Pentium II/300 with 128MB, one hard drive, and a 17" monitor. There are also a modem and a couple sets of speakers. With all of that, the second UPS indicator LED (33%, I think) still hasnt come on. So it seems to me that even with the monitor powered up, a typical PC consumes about the same or less power than a light bulb. Given that a monitor is subject to the same thermal stress damage that frequent power on/off cycles cause, it seems to me that having the computer put the monitor to sleep frequently is a bad idea.
I want to think on that one, and I suppose the simplest thing is to meter the power consumption with the monitor on and suspended. You may be right; although I would have thought intuitively that the display tube on a 21" monitor used more than trivial power. You may have it though: I chase a will of the wisp. ==
Werth, Timothy [timothy.werth@eds.com] http://www.winmag.com/library/1999/0101/how0065.htm
Since there seems to be an ongoing discussion of the power consumption of desktop PCs you might find this article interesting by John Woram that is in this months Windows Mag. John took the trouble of actually measuring the current used by monitors and PCs under various load. One of the interesting things that I hadnt thought of was that a monitor pulls more current to display a solid white screen than it does to display 3-D graphics. One thing that John Woram pointed out in the article is that taken alone the cost savings from having a single monitor go into sleep mode isnt much, but that a whole office taken as a whole can add up over a years time. Probably especially since some people dont shut off monitors at night. On another subject over the last two weeks I put together two machines using AMD K6-2/350 MHz chips. For one I used the ASUS P5A m/board (ATX version) and a Matrox Millennium G200 w/8 MB SGRAM. For the other system I used the FIC 503+ m/board (baby AT version) and an STB Velocity 4400 card. Both worked extremely well with the only real problem coming from a Creative Labs SoundBlaster Live! Value soundcard. Turned out the card was bad and had to be replaced. As far as any of the problems you have been describing I havent encountered any of the problems you have w/sleep mode. However, I always disable all powersaving features except for the monitor and I dont use a screen saver. I just have it go into sleep mode. YMMV
Have a Happy New Year
Thanks. I am concluding that you don't want disk power management at all, and it may not be worth while doing monitor stand by; certainly the safest screen saver is NONE if you are going to let the monitor go to sleep. Alternatively, use a screen saver but do NOT let the monitor sleep. === I suspect the problems youre experiencing have more to do with the video drivers than with non-Intel CPUs. Ive seen this behavior on genuine Intel Pentiums as well. The solutions seem to be, in order of desirability: Update your video drivers frequently, avoid fancy screen savers (I always just use blank screen. Boring maybe, but hey), and/or turn off power management. Of course, the most reliable solution is the least desirable. But now that I think about it, screen savers in general are sore spots. Ive seen many a mysterious problem go away when replaced with Blank Screen. After Dark is notorious for causing problems, for instance. But, getting back to the hardware, of all the components that take the blame for compatibility problems, sound cards belong at the very top of the list, followed closely by video cards. Unfortunately, video cards have a much better ability to do nasty things to you, since theyre so much more heavily used. Such is the price of freedom from the limits of unaccelerated VGA... Dave Farquhar Microcomputer Analyst, Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod
Views expressed in this document are my own and, unless stated otherwise, in no way represent the opinion of my employer. Agreed on all counts. Thanks for the summary. == Eric Pobirs [nbrazil@ix.netcom.com] That news.com article said a lot without saying much of anything. A recent Infoworld piece was a bit more positive, suggesting that the technology was developed long before the mass market was equipped to understand why it was useful. Now that online purchasing is becoming commonplace (Ive met one person who bought his first computer recently after reading an article about Amazon.com.) and advertising is proving to be a failure for all but that slice of the web aligned with existing media, the conceptual barrier has been reduced a bit. Revolutions dont happen that often in real life. I think micropayments have to wait until they look like only a minor innovation to the automated wallets now being offered. (If you havent seen these, what they do is go beyond just storing your credit card numbers by also automatically entering name and address info without using the paranoia inspiring cookie.) What makes me really wonder about this report is Compaqs reluctance to say with who theyre making the tentative deal. If it were one of the big credit card companies, that could really make all the difference in gaining acceptance at every tier: banks, sellers, and users. Who is this mysterious partner, dammit! All we really know is that Compaq is unloading DEC assets that dont its business plans. No real surprises there. This was of course in response to the article on Millicent I referenced in View. ===
Moshe Bar [MosheB@TopTierSW.com] Dear Dr. Pournelle Something for you to keep in mind, when you get back to Linette: I had an email exchange with a friend in the US, who installed Linux on a 400Mhz Intel machine from Compaq. Him also having several 200Mhz Sun UltraSparc machine, he was understandably anxious to prove that Linux on a nice Intel might outrun even a world-class Solaris server. He found out, however, that the machines thruput was way below expectations as a server. After much debating and much emailing over the Atlantic and back, we finally decided to check automatic power management. Sure enough, the Compaq machine had a feature built-in in its firmware to reduce CPU speed if there was no interaction with the machine from keyboard or mouse. Since he was only loging in from the network and the machine was a server with no keyboard/monitor attached, no keyboard/mouse interaction could happen and the firmware thought it should slow down the machine. After disabling this default behavior the Bogomips (a Linux CPU speed measurement needed for timer / loop calibration) went from 40 to over 400! thus outrunning the UltraSparc server by 45%. I dont know how many people out there are running their Linux/Unix servers at less than feasible speed because of this stupid default configuration, however I called some of my clients and have so far found 6 major servers (just today) that were running at 10% or so of speed. So, be careful with Linette! And for all your readers who still believe that running a Unix machine under root privileges is OK, because they know what they do, I suggest the study of the Web Page of UNIX SysAdmins Horror Stories at www.uwsg.indiana.edu/usail/library/humor/horror2.html. Greetings from Israel Moshe Bar Thanks. I too find most of the power management stuff STUPID and I have some reader mail on it that expresses the sentiment well; I'll get it up as soon as I have a chance. Thanks for the warning! == Jerry: I was just reading the first chapter of The Strategy of Technology and the point about the come as you are war resonated quite strongly with an article I read yesterday (see http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/iraq981229_starr.html) regarding the depletion of U.S. stocks of air-launched cruise missiles by Operation Desert Fox. In addition to your other fears regarding the intervention of the U.S. in Iraq, heres another reason for picking fights wisely.Sorry, Ive lost your instructions for formatting mail (11f at the end of the subject line?) and cant seem to locate them on your site. Regarding those who complain about your site, keep the faith! Therere a lot of us out here who are thoroughly enjoying it. Brian Cheesman Mail format instructions are referenced on the MAIL home page. The depletion of our resources in ineffective gestures is all right so long as we don't NEED them, and since they become aged and obsolescent perhaps can be a "good" thing if they are replaced. The problem was stated by Albright: "What's the point of having an invincible army if you don't use it to do good?" Now that was a truly terrifying statement, because it begins to sound like old Rome, whose policy was "To Defend the Weak and Make Humble the Proud"; which sounds noble but when implemented turned out to be a policy for enrichment of proconsuls at the expense of both weak and proud "friends" of the Roman people. It is certainly the opposite of Adams: "We are the friends of liberty everywhere but the guardians only of our own." Guarding our own may require overseas interventions, but surely that is to be decided by Congress, not by the President and Secretary of State? Ah. Well. ==
We are all Private Ryan
I'm not sure either. Laugh, I think. And hope that somehow it sank in. Best regards, and thanks. === Since you are planning on building a system using the Intel Celeron CPU, I thought I would share some of my experience. The Celeron 300A CPU with the Abit BH6 motherboard provide a wonderful price/performance combination. I recently upgraded a Pentium II 233MHz processor to the Celeron 300A. It performed flawlessly at 66MHz FSB so I overclocked the bus to 100MHz using the Soft Menu BIOS settings. This motherboard is jumperless and setting the parameters in the BIOS is simple and intuitive. I experienced a few crashes so I increased the CPU voltage from 2.00V to 2.05V. It has been crash free since and now I am enjoying 450MHz for $140 (CPU and heat sink/fan). The CPU has remained fairly cool as well. Two great resources for this overclocking project are www.tomshardware.com and www.ars-technica.com .Two other things on a different subject. I was unable to find your email address looking in the obvious places (Home page, Mail page). I finally got it from the header of a letter you posted. It may be helpful to others if it were prominently displayed. Unless, of course, you want to discourage the casual email. The second thing was a small problem on the subscription page using a credit card. I initially clicked the circle next to Discover card in error. When I clicked on the correct one (VISA) the Dicover option remained checked. I couldn't figure out a way to deselect it and was forced to re enter all the information. Enoyed Starswarm and look forward to the new Jannissaries novel. John Gadbois jgadbois@conknet.comThanks. Interesting data. I need to collect a whole bunch of mother boards for testing now that the new book looks more like a reality. I have also found a motherboard test stand system that will make it a LOT easier to do this. Regarding my email address, isn't the BLIMP clear enough? I suppose not, so I have added a label. I don't really understand the credit card stuff, and I'll try again to redesign that page, but mostly what I did was copy my wife's ordering information page. Thanks for having the stamina to continue. ===
Dear Jerry, I have been following your column for many years now (so many I wont embarrass you or myself by mentioning it again!) and had started because I needed to learn about computers and couldnt afford to buy one at the time, so I had to live vicariously through Chaos Manor. I now have two (!) computers networked together, but still need to read your column. Thank God you decided to forge ahead on your own. Ive been reading with interest about the power management problems that you, and everyone else, seem to have. Chuckling to myself in arrogance as I, computer maven that I am, did not share these problems. Well spoke too soon! I have had lots of problems over the last two days! I dont use screen savers (crash, crash, crash) and had relied on power management to turn off my monitors. Now Ive discovered that my custom setting (turn off monitors, dont spin down disks or go on standby) can not, and will not be saved. Oh sure, it looks as if its saved, until I go back to the sleeping baby and have to wake it from a deep, deep slumber. Sure enough, check power settings, and Im back to "Home Office" mode. Ive checked the BIOS setting and its set to "User Defined", but "User Defined" isnt sticking! Now my wifes machine doesnt share these problems, and she doesnt read your column either. Have you ever heard of computers suffering from Sympathy Pains (I suffered them when my wife went into labor)? Looks as if Im going to use a blank screen saver and fire my power management. Never weaken! Bill Grigg Another precinct heard from. Thanks! === Hi Jerry, Greetings from England. First let me say how pleased I was to see your web-site after Byte paper editions demise. I will re-investigate to see if there is a way to convert small amounts of Sterling to $US cost efficiently... Meanwhile, You wrote in your column: "Well, the STB 4400 and the WinChip dont love each other. Or something is wrong. I cant even shut the system down most of the time. It runs all right when up, but shut down hangs, and requires a power down. This is more annoying than anything else but still..." I will take a stab at this one. When Windows 95 doesnt close properly it can be due to it not being able to find the floppy disk properly (the process will take up to one or two minutes to time-out) and can appear to be a hang if youre impatient (read human) or sometimes it just hangs anyway. The floppy disk /can/ be affected by video changes on your system. Something to do with IRQ 2 and IRQ 9 (cascade). If the video has takes IRQ 9 I would suspect this. Video cards seem to grab all available IRQs I have noticed - up to three if theyre available. First port of call should be Control Panel to see if IRQ 9 is used by the video card. If so then maybe a later video driver (if available) might fix it. Of course it could be something entirely different. :)
Now that is interesting. Video boards do grab off an IRQ of course. I wonder if Number Nine boards are better behaved at that? Winnie, the WinChip system was very stable with the Number Nine but a problem with the STB 4400. Not a terrible problem, just won't sleep properly, and won't shut down properly (I consider 15 minutes long enough to wait ) I'll see if I can find out more on that. Meanwhile, Welcome Aboard! ===
I vote for an (alt)mail section to discuss things other than computers. Anyone who quotes Adams, either John or John Q., can't be all bad. Supposedly Congress has the power to declare war. You wouldn't know it by the last 40 years or so. If they (Congress) were as interested in upholding their mandate as in the sex lives of the Executive Branch of government, I would have more respect for the lot. The discussion seems to be whether or not to modify the nuke missiles to take HE or to wait or something. Is this a serious discussion or a ploy to get sympathy for new Pentagon spending? Where are our elected representatives in this discussion? I just kill the power management in Windows 98 and leave the Bios to do its thing. But then I have a Pentium anyway. With the Windows 98 PM working and the Bios in gear, it just locked totally. Keep up the good work as most of us turned first to Chaos Manor when we got our Byte in the mail. Now we get daily updates and hear from some interesting correspondents as well. While it was somewhat difficult on this end at first, I find that it is more interesting now. If I can just figure our how to Bookmark the Current Mail and the Current View pages so I don't have to dance my way to them. All in all the results seem to have worked out well on this end and I hope that on your end it is starting to be rewarding. Does having the immediate response from people like Moshe Bar and others helps you decide where to wander in your computer building and testing? It seems likely that getting quick response would eliminate some side excursions. Any thoughts on that? Immediate response helps a LOT; indeed, it's one of the rewards of doing this. It consumes a lot of time, but I learn a lot, and I have made a lot of new friends. I'll probably go to ALT.VIEW sometime early next year. Thanks. === Ive moved lots of Eudora users around and have found the easiest way to do this is to:
The second step is more important on Windows 9x machines because of registry considerations, but Ive done it on Windows 3.x machines out of paranoia. :) This has worked well for Eudora Pro 3.x and 4.x along with Eudora Light versions since 1.5.4. ...brig --
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Home Page: < http://www.sekls.lib.ks.us/staff/brigc>Thanks. I will shortly be doing that with Roberta's system. We'll also have to move her PGP, which I suppose means reinstalling and then giving it the keyring or something. I haven't I fear had much experience with all that ===
Clark E. Myers [ClarkEMyers@email.msn.com] RE: I get mail from News Dispatcher; getting Outlook to sort it for me This one is easy, if I understand the question. The issue is that the rule process uses the e-mail address rather than the alias which is displayed as From. Therefore the e-mail address must be available (from the contacts list to associate with the alias) or supplied. In many cases the alias displayed in From is one to many e-mail addresses (and all the other possible mappings) so something must be done by you the user to implement rules for each distinct e-mail address, that is watch e-mail addresses and aliases and such. I think this is a reasonable procedure given that I might have lots of friends using the same alias (it might be their real name of course mail from several Betty Smiths - in fact I don't get enough mail from Betty as it is) and I may want mail from only one Nguyen to go into an e.g. Wednesday Night Poker mailbox. For instance I first create a folder, say Tipworld for PCWorld's tips. I put it under the existing Inbox folder for convenience. When mail from Tipworld arrives in the existing Inbox which is the highest level I open the Inbox then I highlight the message which shows as from Tipworld then click Organize in the toolbar to get the Ways to Organize Inbox window. In the Ways to Organize Inbox window I first fill in the Move message selected below to Tipworld (newly created folder) in the (dropdown menu) dialog box. Then before moving I create a rule to move new message from the author OF THE SELECTED MESSAGE (displayed as e-mail address) into the Tipworld folder. Then I click create rule, then I click Move then I am done for Tipworld messages in that category. One reason to use this example is that there are many Tipworld mailers depending on the subscription list I can get Bug of the Day or Virus of the Day or many other subjects. These all display the alias Tipworld but do NOT all originate from the same e-mail address. Therefore I must either create a new rule when a new mailing from a different Tipworld arrives, or view the header for the different e-mail addresses which all alias as Tipworld and create rules typing the in the various e-mail addresses. Cutting and pasting seems to work too, there may be some highlight and drag ways to do it also, I don't know, and have not tried all possible ways to do it most efficiently. As I note below, Outlook works best for me if I use it regularly and go along with a do it as you go along way of using it rather than sitting down to create abstract rules and implement them. This is not a bad way to do things. It does I think suppose that the Outlook user is using Outlook regularly for everything and doing things regularly in Outlook rather than planning (on pencil and paper) and setting things up. This reminds me of the very real difference between Word and WordPerfect in the old days. Word was designed for the person sitting at the keyboard to control the document, try this try that and see how it goes. WordPerfect was much better for an office with a secretary keyboarding and working from marked paper copy. Similarly, Outlook assumes the daily user has full personal power to try things and see how it goes. Managing a boss's mail as an office assistant and implementing rules based on instructions is much more difficult and tedious. The point is I think that starting out with rules and trying to enter them as rules is made more difficult than it has to be, and doing things as they come naturally (after being as thoroughly brainwashed as the Manchurian Candidate) is made easy. This is long enough more on autoreply later. Clark E. Myers I wouldn't Spam filter you! I will try that. I was trying RULES WIZARD and it insists that "FROM" be something from the CONTACT list. I don't really want to make Anchor Desk and News Dispatch "contacts" because they are not. And I haven't been able to get the damn thing to accept any other a"from". Perhaps your procedure will do it. Your observations on Word vs Word Perfect are good insight. Thanks. == Charles Simkins
Jerry P. U.S. Robotics I noted your displeasure with the U.S. Robotics Home Page. I also was appalled by the site but less so since the updated modem, the same as yours, and works much faster than before. I use Net Medic to watch my downloads and find that I get peaks of pages in the 70's. Assuming that Net Medic is really measuring this, it is significantly better. The Windows Y2K update even downloaded in a single session, after about 6 failed attempts. I also use Vramdir although I haven't run any tests to see if it really improves performance. I would be interested to hear any opinions on that program. I got on Anandtech.com and found an interesting article on the IA-64, EPIC, architecture of the new Intel processor, Merced. The article is worth reading for anyone who is interested in what is coming down the road. Also, the article links to an Intel site that is great: http://developer.intel.com/design/processor/future/next/sld023.htm. If you go there, read the whole set of slides as it is something that a ME like me can understand, well kind of.Charles Simkins PS: I am still waiting for Microsoft to come out with firmware chips to insert into my computer that will offer fast startups, like my Palm Pilot or any of the palmtops etc. that run WinCE. Any comments? Stick with Windows 98. It has its bugs but a new set of bugs is refreshing at times as I was bored with the old Windows 95 bugs anyway. Charles Simkins
Fast start BIOS will be along next I suppose. The problem is that Windows is so large and needs patching so often that firmware doesn't seem to be the answer. It never really was with DOS, which wasn't even re-entrant. Thanks for the references. I agree, upgrading your modem is very much worth while. == Jerry, I just skimmed through Talins adventures getting Linux running on the nifty Sony Vaio subnotebook. At the end one though occured to me. It was cool that he could get it to work, I guess. But he spent many, many hours in the process (and he is very knowledgeable about Linux), and in the end he had a computer with which he could e-mail, surf the web, do some word processing, etc. Funny, I could just take it out of the box, and I would have a computer with which I could e-mail, surf the web, do some word processing, etc. I could even run some epidemiology software designed by the CDC that wont run on Linux. Like many, I sometimes get very powerful "I HATE Microsoft!" feelings (as you must when running Outlook). Nevertheless, there is something to be said for having a "good enough" OS and applications software that doesnt require hours of fiddling to make it work. Ive done the Linux thing and decided its probably a great server OS, but doesnt do anything for me. In the meanwhile Im putting my spare time into learning VB and VBA so that I can bend the MS Office applications to my will. Hoping that the end of the millenium is joyous and prosperous for you and yours, best regards, Keith F. Woeltje I have spent about five minutes reformatting this. God knows what was done to it, but it seems to have changed my tool bars on Word and done other interesting things. Sigh. I don't understand a lot of this stuff sometimes. WORD is apparently its own virus at times; open a document and all kinds of weirdnesses happen. The joys of Linux are having control, and there's all this great hope for future capabilities. I do consider it an interesting phenomenon; I still do my work in Word and either NT or Windows. The latest Outlook mess with having to reboot to get the rules to work is illustrative: it's still the only way I can get my mail sorted properly and send automatic replies. I suppose there are UNIX wizard ways to do all that, but at my age I am not likely to learn them. I have learned how to make Outlook do most of what I want. Thanks for the kind words. === David Cefai [davcefai@keyworld.net] Dear Jerry, I have played with Linux for a couple of weeks, the objective being to build a cheap file/modem server. The software I used was the S.u.S.e distribution. This was installed on an IBM PR200+ PC with 32MB RAM and a 257MB drive dedicated to Linux. Installation: Easy. XFree86 Configuration: reasonably straightforward Samba: Once I understood the instructions - no real problems DSMSDOS: (access to Drivespace compressed drives): gave up, at least for the time. Dial Up: DISASTER! nothing worked, all the literature seems to point in different directions. You need to modify an incredible number of configuration files. Pause for reflection...... Conclusion: Do I really want to commit myself to a system where every little step you take is fraught with pitfalls, is documented incoherently and requires an inordinate expenditure of time and effort? Its a great toy, does not crash much more often than Windows does. and lets you learn a lot - about Linux. It made me realise that Microsoft, for all its faults - and who doesnt have them? - knows how to write operating systems. Of course if a company took over Linux and packaged it decently it could be a rival to Windows. But then the same Linux Evangelists would be piling abuse on this notional company and looking for an alternative OS. David Cefai A good summary. I am glad Linux exists, and I am glad it has fanatical devotees; indeed, without them it wouldn't have a chance since there are precious few financial rewards in bucking Microsoft. But without competition, Microsoft gets lazy and forgetful; Linux keeps them running scared, which is good for all of us. And, as Linux gets better, perhaps the alternatives won't be quite so stark. Thanks for the summary. Lurking DISASTER is precisely what I do not need; I find I have to schedule trips to the bathroom lately. When I am writing and it goes well it is exhausting, and then I have this place to see to; and experiments with an operating system seem a bit quixotic at best. Other times that's just what I want to do. But I'm glad to see that people are doing it == Outlook offers two choices under the File menu item; Exit, and Exit and Log Off. It is IMPERATIVE that you chose the latter if you want to avoid bugs and have your changes result in the effects you are after. Of course, as this is the case, I wonder why they include the first choice?
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Since I don't have those choices, I presume you are using Outlook 97; or have you some upgrade to Outlook 98 I don't know about? In any event, I have found that sometimes to get a complex rule to apply you must shut down Outlook, and sometimes even reboot the system. I have no idea why.
A few comments on your recent travails with Outlook. You dont have to reboot your system after applying a rule change in Outlook 97, 98, or 2000. Rule changes take effect immediately. If they do not on your system, you are having some sort of odd difficulty with the operating system or your Outlook setup. To verify this, I just created a rule, and then tested it without exiting Outlook, much less rebooting. It worked just fine, so something else is causing your problem. Yes, Outlook does expect an entry from Outlook Contacts if you make a rule using the From people or distribution list flag. Heres the rule I use for filtering ZDNN TipWorld mail:
Apply this rule after the message arrives
Roland Dobbins < rdobbins@hawaii.rr.com> // 808.351.6110 voiceNull, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane and empty of meaning for all time.
I can only say that this time Outlook accepted the new rule and sorted mail into the appropriate bin, but it would NOT send the automatic reply until I had rebooted. I have had rules accepted in entirety without rebooting. Not this time. What is different now and then I do not know. I am not entirely naïve. I have tried making rules with things like "with Anchor Desk" in the sender's address. I even did another "with AnchorDesk" in the sender's address. Neither works, because apparently they have some other kind of return address. Outlook is NOT very good about telling me what the actual "sender's address" is, which can be different from the "return address". I can experiment, and I usually do find the magic formula, but it would be a lot simpler if Outlook gave me a bit more control over things and stopped trying to be so darned automatic. Automatic is fine automatic is wonderful but there ought to be an over ride. I am beginning to wonder if I am getting senile? In any event, I know that sometimes Outlook will create and apply rules without being shut down and restarted. In particular, simple sorting rules about contents in the SUBJECT line almost always work instantly. When they get a bit more complicated I find I may have to close Outlook and open it again. When they involve sending an automatic response I find that the response must be an .oft template file, and I may well have to not merely shut down Outlook, but reboot the system. Please believe that, and do not start with the assumption that I made it up, or that I must be mistaken. I KNOW THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS. As to some kind of odd problems, very likely: but that is not particularly helpful. Moreover, it may be that you have merely been lucky and the next time you try a complex rule with an automatic reply in it -- you will note that what I had spoken of was a problem with an automatic reply -- you may find it doesn't "take effect immediately." I hope that does not happen to you, but please believe me, it might. One day I may have to write on the subject of causation. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc and its variations such as "I did it this way and it worked so therefore your observations to the contrary must be wrong" are signs of the times and of the poor education we give our children, but they have always been fallacies and are fallacies now. Science is built on discriminations: when two apparently similar systems give different results to the same inputs, then one may assume magic; bad reporting; or one may assume the systems have so not obvious dissimilarities, and search for those. Science is built around the latter technique, but of course it does imply and require accurate reporting. Sorry to lecture at such length, but your letter is typical, and apparently I didn't get enough sleep last night: but please, in future, assume I have observed what I said I observed, and if you doubt that, please frame it as a question. Please do not tell me that "if you do it right then you won't have that problem" without pointing out what I may or must have done wrong. I know I can get things wrong, and I sometimes overlook the obvious, but I hope that's not usual. Thank you for your observations. Im not sure how you set up your auto-reply rule, but the easiest way to do it is by using the Out of the Office Assistant, located on the Tools menu in Outlook 2000 - assuming youve installed the Assistant, that is. Its an add-in for Outlook, stupid though that may be, and you have to explicity install it off the CD-ROMs I sent you. The Out of the Office Assistant allows one to create an auto-reply rule and have it take effect instantly. I dont know why your other rule didnt do so, but I just tested it with the Assistant, and it worked just fine. Another example of Microsoft hiding very useful features from the end-user. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roland Dobbins < rdobbins@hawaii.rr.com> // 808.351.6110 voiceNull, void, invalid, iniquitous, unjust, damnable, reprobate, inane and empty of meaning for all time.
Aha. I hadn't installed 2000 on this machine: fear and lack of time, mostly. Also I am running a bit short of disk space and need to reorganize on Princess, the dual Pentium 200 that runs NT and which I use for most of this work and all Outlook work. But you make me wish I had, and I should get to it. You confirm what I believe: Microsoft over time does fix problems, but then takes pains to hide that there ever WAS a problem! Thanks. --- I am well aware of the logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc; I wasnt denying that youd observed the behavior youd described, but rather was attempting to offer an alternative explanation. Also, impossibilium nulla obligatio est. Another maxim Ive found useful is in dubiis non est agendum. More to the point, I assume that you never proceed invita Minerva, ut aiunt. Quite the contrary; that is why your observations are so useful. Ispsa scientia potestas est, of course, and I do bear in mind that ira furor brevis est. Like yourself, I also believe that labor omnia vincit, and navigare necesse est. Nemo nascitur artifex, and therefore much experimentation is required. Though it might seem a bit trite, nihil est miserum nisi cum putes, as Boethius tells us. Horace pointed out that nil agit exemplum, litem quod lite resolvit, and, as you so rightly put it, there is nulla regula sine exceptione. At the same time, taking an attitude of odi profanum vulgus et arceo has its own pitfalls, chief amongst them the fact that saepe creat molles aspera spina rosas. Fugit irreparabile tempus, though, and Im sure by now youll agree that it is sat sapienti. So, sine ira et studio, I tell myself that suos cuique mos, and vitiis nemo sine nascitur. As Cicero was wont to say, accipere quam facere praestat injuriam. So I offer this with no rancor, and trust that, though consuetudinis magna vis est, you will accept it in the spirit in which I write, cum grano salis. Perhaps you will print this; de gustibus non est disputandum. Juvenal tells us that difficile est saturam non scribere, so what can I say but dum spiro, spero? Nemo risum praebuit, qui ex se coepit. ------------------------------------
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I fear you retain far more of your Latin than I do of mine. I once was able to read Cicero in the original, and even Virgil, but alas no more. One grain of salt isn't enough to flavor anything === Chuck Waggoner [waggoner@gis.net] Jerry: I happen to know "the joker who designed those plastic rings that hold six-packs of soft drinks and beer". He was from a suburb of the Windy City and worked for Dow Chemical at the time. I can relate that he is a teetotaler who never imagined the untoward consequences that later surfaced. Also, he never profited from the invention; as with most working in R&;D for giant corporations during that era, the rights belonged to his employer, in exchange for a regular paycheck. --Chuck No insult intended to your friend, but I wish he had never done it. Those things ALWAYS dump one drink, usually at exactly the wrong time and place. Aluminum cans either burst or get horribly distorted when dropped. I wish those plastic ring things had never been invented, and I have to say I take an evil pleasure in knowing their inventor didn't profit from it. I am sure he is a fine gentleman, but I wouldn't want him working on anything else I have to use. == On Outlook and LINUX and other matters: From: Jim Griebel (jgri@ earthlink.net) "Apparently Outlook is inconsistent . . . " You can say that again. The other night I spent a couple of hours trying to make Outlook 97 connect to the Internet to get mail, something that would be nice when I'm on trips. It ultimately dialed, after fierce resistance, but refused to admit any mail was waiting. I gave up at that point. It's the company's laptop and they'd be upset if I smashed it. At points the help, especially the help offered by that idiotic paper clip, was actively misleading. I get the feeling it's possible to do rules in Outlook 97 just like the ones in Outlook Express (accessed via "Inbox Assistant"), but couldn't test it and the help said firmly that auto-reply only worked on a Genuine Microsoft Exchange Server. Competition for Microsoft is indeed a sound idea. If you haven't done it already (or even if you have) _please_ give that paper clip an onion. Moshe Bar wrote in with a pointer to a pageful of Unix horror stories, many of them centering around doing rm -rf * from the root directory, which erases the entire file system. Of course the first command-line option everbody uses for rm is -f, because otherwise it wants you to confirm EVERY file. Now I looked at the code for rm, and it doesn't seem to be that hard to make it warn you if you're going to blow away multiple files. Matter of fact I'm nobody's C whiz and I did that -- it now asks if you really want to do that and asks twice if you're in the root directory when you're doing it. Total programming time (not counting figuring out where all the header files ought to be) about 1.5 hours. Not exhaustively tested, YMMV, etc., but -- Why hasn't anybody else ever done this? Is somebody out there giving points for taking dumb risks? This explains why I'm more optimistic about Linux on the desktop than the fellow who wrote in and said it was impossible. I think that many of the problems and pitfalls aren't that hard to fix, if anybody really wants to fix them. Given a focused effort by a company willing to devote money and time and a viable desktop competitor for Windows could be on the market in a year or so. This means spending some money, though, and I get the feeling that some companies embracing Open Source are doing so because it looks like a huge pool of free programming talent. What are the legal implications of Joe Blow working as a programmer for Company X by day and as (in effect) a programmer for Company Y by night? I have a feeling we're going to find out. I'm not sure about Corel's effort -- their boxes are all based on the Intel StrongARM RISC processor, which means everything that is to run on them has to be ported. If I were Corel I'd be handing out developer systems like salted peanuts. But then a corporate effort that depends heavily on the Open Source community to do work for it risks running afoul of the politics in the OS community, some of which doesn't like Corel already for using KDE as its desktop instead of Gnome. KDE is (nearly) finished as Gnome isn't, but then KDE isn't wholly GPLed and Gnome is. Or else KDE wasn't and now is, but I'm afraid I get lost in the nuances of what's GPL and what isn't.
Server-wise Linux is a more viable competitor because server types are more likely to be gurus, and it's cheap, and maybe Linux + Samba = NT server. I think that might be a little optimistic, having spent a couple of days getting Samba to work at all myself. Certainly anybody who tries it has to know a whack of a lot about all three. Once it's working Samba does what it's advertised to do: Turns your Linux disk (or selected portions of it) into a mappable network drive for Windows. From Linux toward Windows all there seems to be is an FTP-like client that transfers files in FTP-like fashion. I haven't tried printing. Getting Samba to work is seriously non-trivial, though; the configuration file it installs by default is 261 lines long. Of course a lot of that is comments, but it has a _lot_ of options, and it says there most of them aren't even in that file . . . The changes I needed to make turned out to be minor, but finding out which ones was a bear. It's possible to do a little Plug and Play configuration from Linux, thanks to some utilities written by Peter Fox at http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk. Probably won't work with everything, but it worked with the $20 Linksys Ethernet cards I bought to network the boxes just fine. Another nice product is VNC, from ORL at http:/orl.co.uk, which allows you to export your Linux desktop over the network to a Windows box, or vice versa. It may export a Windows desktop from one Windows box to another, although I haven't tried that. Y2K is a flame war, as sense-free as most flame wars. The part I find sourly amusing is that people who are predicting the Collapse of All Human Civilization are clearly really only preparing for a temporary crisis that will last six months or a year, after which everything is evidently supposed to start up again by magic. Looking forward to etc.view. The pictures of Niven's house make me feel that writing pays much better than I thought it did. (By the way, the picture of yourself comes out sideways.) And of course the very best to all at the Manor for the New Year. Happy New Year to you. My guess is that Outlook 97 is hopeless. Outlook 98 is usable with difficulty. I expect next iteration they will have it right. I think I fixed the rotated picture. Darnell wants to put this site on a Linux box, and now that he has a bit more time, to get the data base driven system going. I am looking forward to all this with mixed emotions: this is working pretty well now. But we do need a register and have a password system in order to have a discussion forum, and NT apparently wants you to have a separate license for each active user logged in to an NT system; prohibitively expensive as well as plain silly. We may learn more about LINUX than I had expected, and much quicker. == You have to what? Outlook requires you to reboot the whole system to change your email filtering rules? And you still use this thing? It continues to amaze me how much Windows users have to put up with. I admit that on the whole its easier to get up and running than Linux, but rebooting to get a program (not the OS, a program!) to reload its parameters is totally crazy! Admittedly Im biased towards Linux, but I havent had to reboot either of my machines except for power outages since I upgraded the kernel the last time. Also, I havent received anything from you about my subscription yet. Just to let you know.
I have no idea of when you sent what as a subscription. Did you send me an email with the right return? If not, it will take a while to process paper orders. I do those when I get to them. My apologies, but there isn't anyone else here. As to your remarks about Outlook, I use it because it does things that I so far haven't found any Linux program that will make it simpler. This edition of Outlook does indeed require, or at least sometimes require, that I reboot before it will send an automated reply. That isn't good, and I sure wish it were otherwise, and I suspect it will be. On the other hand I don't have to write a new program, recompile my operating system, decide what modem I am using and whether it will work with my operating system, be very careful what disk drives I buy: in a word, if you are going trying to say that Linux is easier to use to set up mail and mail sorting rules than Outlook, then I find myself very sceptical. VERY. Linux looks to be an interesting alternative to Microsoft, and I hope it will keep Microsoft nervous and anxious to fix problems. With luck there will be applications programs as good or better than Outlook 98 for Linux. So far, though, difficult and with problems as it may be, I find Outlook a better investment of my time for the kind of mail sorting I have to do. I just don't have time to become a UNIX guru in addition to everything else. The accusatory tone of your note makes me concerned. How did you pay for your subscription? And when? Just to let you know, I have searched all the lists I have of people who have informed me that they have paid for a subscription. I find no nexus@tatoosh.com among them, either in credit card orders or by check. It is possible that yours came in the last 24 hours, which would mean Saturday or Sunday, and we aren't always too diligent about processing orders on Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning. If I've made a mistake, please tell me. === Main body subject: Hating Outlook, Feeling Better About Linux 11f Chuck Waggoner [waggoner@gis.net] For some time, theres been a lot written in your mail, over whether upgrading to Win98 is worth it or not. There is at least one major improvement in Windows Explorer over Win95, that alone makes it worth the money to me. And because Ive never once seen this improvement mentioned in any discussion of upgrading, it makes me wonder whether file management is something anybody spends time on these days. In Win98, Explorer remembers different sort settings for each folder. Like you, I once reveled in Norton Commander. Even through the Win3.11 days, Commander was on my screen as a sort of desktop, whenever I wasnt actively using the computer. Only with Win98, have I happily accepted the new Explorer as a replacementalthough I dearly wish a lot of the function key utilities of Commander were incorporated to reduce keystrokes and mouse clicks in performing simple operations. Nevertheless, Win98s new ability to save each folders settings is a major advancement. Early in my career, before computers were on anybodys desktop, I was taught the value of keeping filing cabinets sorted, up-to-date, and knowing whats in them. In fact, one boss insisted that we not only stay on top of filing, but adopt a system to peruse ALL the files in our drawers once every year, to be familiar with the contents and weed out irrelevant and outdated materials. As with physical files, that certainly is possible with the work products created by our desktop computers, and its difficult to imagine not staying on top of it. After I finish any piece of work, I sort through the materials used to create it, which usually include intermediate steps and revisions. Theres never a better time to properly name those files and dispense with whats not neededwhile its still clear what they are. I seldom see file management mentioned in relation to computer functioning, but its important enough to me that the Windows Explorer of Win98 IS my desktop. --Chuck Waggoner I wish I were as well organized as you, but I see your point. I still use Commander for most of my file management. My upstairs Monk's Cell machine where I write most of my fiction has Win 95 and Commander and needs nothing else. The machines here are a mixed bag, and I'm about to replace Cyrus the Cyrix machine (which has an AMD chip, as explained in an earlier column) with a more up to date system with larger disk. That is, if I can manage to get past the darned sleep management problems with my faster and bigger machines! Cyrus never gives any problems about sleep or waking up. And with a 100 megabit ethernet connection I guess I don't really need physically larger hard disk, I can do most of that over the net Different sort settings for each folder does sound useful. I haven't done much W 98 customization. I suppose I should. Thanks. === Scott Kitterman [Kitterma@erols.com] As you may recall (I wont feel bad it you dont, there are a lot of people writing), I have written you several times and youve even published a few. I dont recommend the discussion group idea. It may well do away with what attracts me to writing to you. There are many places on the internet for random idiots (or geniuses) to spout opinion. Some are filtered, some are not. The beauty of writing to you and getting published on your site is that I have to write something good enough to make an impression on you to get it published. While I often disagree with you, you are a person I respect. Getting something published on your site or a considered private reply is an accomplishment. If you switch over to a discussion group format, that sense of accomplishment may well be lost.
Good point. I would not stop processing mail with comments, but I do see what you are driving at. I get hundreds of letters I don't use here. On the other hand, I may have to go to First Readers to get through it all; so far I can read all that comes in, or at least the first paragraph or so (I used to read slush for Galaxy Magazine so I got pretty good at sample first paragraph, skip to a middle, and either start to read from beginning or toss in the reject pile; we get a much higher quality of inputs here, but much is duplicated, and a lot is not really interesting enough to 'publish'. Let's continue this: would it hurt to have a forum moderated by Alex and Eric, in addition to MAIL which I will continue much as it is? Good questions. === Glad to hear you're alive and well after your recent misadventure. I first discovered your science fiction (The Mote...) but then again stumbled across you in Byte (some 20 years ago?!!). I have followed your computing adventures since the early days. If it wasn't 3:30 in the morning I might be able to express some sense of my admiration and gratitude for your work in an intelligent manner, but that's not going to happen tonight, sorry! I only taking a moment to write right now to maybe help you avoid some headaches. I was skimming through your email archive and saw you were considering getting Wingate. It is a good product and extremely powerful and versatile (read extremely hard to get working correctly). I used it on a small office LAN and had no trouble getting HTTP working and finally got FTP and Telnet going after lots of twiddling but could never get my email working on a client machine. Before I really dug into the issue I came across a program called Sygate by Sybergen. I tried it and have never gone back to WinGate. Sygate it totally painless. You install it and it works. It acts like a proxy server but it's not a proxy server. You don't have to tell your client apps that you are accessing the Net via a proxy. You don't have to worry about SOCKS etcetera. Email, Web browsers and even AOL Instant Messenger simply work. You can download a trial copy of it and see if it works for you. http://www.sygate.comhttp://www.sygate.com/Of course it doesn't allow you to control LAN users access to the web by restricting HTTP traffic for example but for a home LAN or a small office where everyone is permitted total access to the Net it is ideal. It runs on Win95/98/NT. Brian Peay That does sound interesting. I have to confess that due to sloth and a mighty desire to get this place cleaned up, I have not installed Wingate; I have a need for it as half my machines are nattering at me about updates to Norton Utilities, and I have to physically carry a modem to them if I want to let them do the auto update thing. With Wingate or this one I could just let them go get their stuff through Princess. I'll have to look into this, and thanks. "Just works" sure sounds less intimidating thatn IP addresses and the like. Or will I still have to go through all that? Time to find out, I guess. == The movie you saw long ago was "The Shop Around the Corner", with Jimmy Stewart in the Tom Hanks role, and Margaret Sullavan in the Meg Ryan role. It was directed by Ernst Lubitsch in 1940. I havent seen "YGM" yet, but its definitely on my "must-see" list (your comments on it moved it a bit higher on that list). Sincerely, Calvin Dodge -- MICROSOFTS PLAN FOR YOUR COMPUTER: "OSS (Open Source software) poses a direct, short-term revenue and platform threat to Microsoft, particularly in server space." "OSS projects have been able to gain a foothold in many server applications because of the wide utility of highly commoditized, simple protocols. By extending these protocols and developing new protocols, we can deny OSS projects entry into the market." From a Microsoft memo - read the entire document at http://www.scripting.com/misc/halloweenMemo.html (original) or http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html (with commentary) Aha. Thanks! == The answer, or some folks will do anything: See this web site: http://kikumaru.w-w.ne.jp/pc/celeron/index_e.html Apparently this works, if you have the guts to drill and solder a cpu. I guess the warranty gets voided! However, at $85 a chip, I could afford a few test chips b/4 I cross the boundary to expense greater than new 450 mhz chips! Richard Sherburne jr. Wow. As you say, some people will do anything! Thanks for the pointer! === Some thoughts on Millicent, e-cash and other electronic payment instruments. I dont know if I mentioned it, but recently Ive been working for an e-commerce company, Transactor Networks. (Im pretty much done with the games industry, I think, but e-commerce isnt where I want to be either.) The weird part about it is that though Im in a different industry, but Im still sitting at the same desk. (But thats another story.) One of the things I got from my new boss (Ted Goldstein, formerly of Sun Microsystems and one of the principle people behind the JavaWallet) was a complete tutorial about how credit cards really work. One thing that I learned that is important to understand is that the ability to actually transfer funds from one person to another is only a small part of the function of a Visa or MasterCard. Another large part of it is the "chain of accountability", which is to say that if you get ripped off, you can call your bank, who calls Visa, who calls the merchants bank, etc. There is also the issue of "payment instrument customer care" which basically means that you can call Visa and find out whats up with your card and someone will actually answer the phone. Visa also deals with absorbing losses due to fraud. For small amounts, they dont bother to investigate, since that would cost more than the amount involved, they just automatically refund your money if youve been ripped off. But if you cry wolf too many times, your card is canceledeven if your complaints were legit. The converse goes for the merchants. For larger sums, or chronic theft, they will of course pursue the matter very aggressively. As Bruce Schneier (author of _Applied Cryptography_) puts it, "its not important to detect every cheat. Its important to detect every cheater." The Visa logo is also a "trust mark" which means that if a merchant displays that mark, it implies certain things about the way that merchant does business. The analogy I like to use is this: You dont go around wearing the arms of Sir Lancelot on your shield unless you a) like getting knocked on your ass a lot, or b) have the right to do so. Part of the function of VISA is to use their coercive powers as a vast megacorporation in order to insure that certain standards are met. BTW, Kee Nethery claims that this is why VISA will never be able to handle micropayments; The cost of answering the phone for a customer support call effectively wipes out all of the potential profits for hundreds of transactions. Kee says that one of the functions of a payment aggregator like Kagi is to lower customer expectations; That is, they will be happy to help you with problems relating to payment, but if its a bug in one of the products, the customers know that Kagis support people arent even going to answer the phone. (Kagis policy is that its the program authors responsibility to provide technical support. Kee has considered expanding the business to handle technical support for some of the more popular programs, however a lot of Kees employees are students who work a semester or two; its difficult for short-term employees to build up enough expertise in a particular product to be able to support it effectively.) -- Talin (Talin@ACM.org) Talins third law:
http://www.sylvantech.com/~talin "Politeness doesnt scale." Thanks. I think perhaps I ought to get together with Kagi again. But we are just now experimenting with using my wife's credit card ordering system === Chris Templer [templer@icon.co.za] Dear Doc., I take it that you don't need to correspond with all the half-wits in the world so only answer if you have a mind to. I have long been and avid sci-fi fan as opposed to Fantasy. Non Fiction such as your Step Further Out and your Strategy of Technology is also much appreciated. So much for stroking your ego! As I have just found you web site Chaos Manor excuse the no doubt late comment re one of your writings on a new name for the site. The word "stochastic" springs to mind as a possible..... The pictures on your page of your work areas/home give me some hope. I only have one computer with all the associated paraphernalia, 2 Hammond Organs (one in bits awaiting the mood), 2 tone cabinets for the Hammonds, 1 pipe organ under construction and a rather wild hi-fi setup cluttering up the joint. Along with all the junk required to build the Pipe Organ as well as a coffee table for my wife I started 3 years ago. Thanks for the web site and links Chris Templer South Africa Perhaps there is hope for me yet. I don't have parts of organs all over the place, But there are 12 computers, alas, and much other clutter.. Sigh. Thanks for the kind words.
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