| Monday
August 23, 2010
Playing as the Taliban
Dear Dr. Pournelle,
I noticed your notes on the fact that the latest Medal
of Honor game allows gamers to play as the Taliban, and that this has
generated controversy.
I frankly don't get it. If you're going to play
Cowboys and Indians, someone has to be the Indians. Computer-controlled
opponents just aren't the same. Even *I* can slaughter them by the hundred.
For that matter, just about any WWII sim , going back
before computers to the days of Avalon Hill, allows people to play as the
Nazis or even the SS. There have been Vietnam simulations that allowed one
to play as the Vietcong.
And there was flippin' Grand Theft Auto, which allowed
players to hold up convenience stores and murder prostitutes. A game that,
though I have been computer gaming since 1982, have never played for that
reason.
So what's so special about Medal of Honor? Why is it
different from every other computer game in existence? What's controversial
about games having two sides? Who knows, some of those gamers may join the
armed forces and it might be very useful to have soldiers who can think like
their enemy. Sun Tzu said something about "know your enemy and know
yourself", if I remember correctly.
Respectfully,
Brian P.
I understand the view. I suppose that rationally
I should share it. After all, it's only a game. Yet even so, I find the
prospect of a popular electronic game of this sort a bit disturbing. I
would rather see measures that decrease the emotional distance between the
Legions and the people.
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A thought
You wrote:
"The next version of Medal of Honor from Electronic
Arts allows you to play the Taliban, planting IE devices and detonating them
with a cell phone. This has generated considerable controversy. One Iraqi
war veteran has suggested that they let the game get really realistic by
allowing players to bomb EA's corporate headquarters in Playa Vista."
That idea could be extrapolated into a whole domestic
insurgency game -- and leads me to ask, you mean there isn't one already?
--Mike
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Solarcycle24.com
Jerry,
www.solarcycle24.com
After a 55 day stretch of sunspots, the last month of
which has seen quite a bit of C-level flare activity, the sun went spotless
again on August 21st.
This 55-day stretch did not break the Cycle 24 records
for flare intensity (M8.3, set in February) or daily sunspot number (77, set
in May).
Even if the new spotless streak ends tomorrow, it is
very unusual to have spotless days this far into a solar cycle. (See the
chart of spotless days on the website.)
Note that, per earlier discussions, a dearth of total
flares does not mean that unusually intense individual flares are
impossible.
Jim
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Who you write like
My daughter sent me this link:
http://iwl.me/
It says I wrote like David Foster Wallace. I submitted
a paragraph from your blog and it says you write like Kurt Vonnegut. I don't
know whether that is a compliment or an insult. But it is, at least for me,
amusing/fun.
Best regards, Paul Schindler
Amusing. But note what the site really is. It
intends to be flattering... I chose some of my mail and submitted that to
the system. It seems that most of those writing me write like Dan Brown,
one like Mark Twain... I certainly have some distinguished readers!
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: Some Sobering Considerations
Jerry,
A most interesting series of thoughts:
Top Six Reasons Why the Economy Is Going Down
1. A “jobless recovery” in the U.S. is not a recovery.
You can bail out the largest and most mismanaged companies and change the
rules to allow banks to forgo reporting their mistakes, making national
economic statistics look better. But that doesn’t change the reality that
millions of people are out of work – since the crash, over six million more
in the U.S. alone – and unable to find jobs.
2. Nor does it make it any less alarming that the rate
of bank failures is well ahead of last year’s record (140), with 86
shuttered as of mid-June. Nor does it have the slightest effect on a myriad
other harsh realities that politicians, as a group, are unable to face.
3. The EU’s massive rescue package has not, and will
not, avert trouble in the eurozone. To the contrary, the situation continues
to deteriorate, pressuring the euro ever lower and taking it to levels not
seen since early 2006. In today’s global economy, what’s bad for Europe is
bad for Asia and the U.S. Ominously, the Baltic Dry Index, a barometer of
international trade that staged a feeble recovery following the 2008 crash,
is falling sharply again <http://investmenttools.com/futures/bdi_baltic_dry_index.htm>
. With all due disrespect for the man, Alan Greenspan considered this his
“must watch” leading indicator, and it has proved a good predictor of where
the global economy is headed. That would be south.
4. Just as Greece exposed the extent of Europe’s
problems with the PIIGS (and they thought the “Mexican Swine Flu” was a
problem!), California seems poised to upset the whole U.S. applecart if it
doesn’t get bailed out. It would be hard to maintain the illusion of
recovery if the most populous state in the U.S. – with a GDP greater than
Russia – implodes into a black hole. Illinois, New Jersey, and at least 43
others are just behind <http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=711>
, hat in hand.
5. From Obama’s attempted ban on drilling for oil in
the Gulf of Mexico, to the new financial regulations Congress has passed, to
America’s flirtation with socialized medicine, it is clear that the U.S. has
entered a new era of Big Government. Big Government, Big Debt, Big Deficits,
Big Military… and surely soon: Big Taxes. One does not have to be an anarcho-libertarian
to see this as a Big Problem delivering huge, negative unintended
consequences.
<http://www.caseyresearch.com/crpmkt/crpSolo.php?id=189&ppref=ATP189BN0810A>
6. The real estate markets are still an
unfolding disaster. May sales of new homes fell by 30% to a record low
(seasonally adjusted 300,000 units vs. 800,000 “normal” sales) and dropped
another 2.6% in June. Housing starts are down similarly, and previously more
rosy stats have been revised downwards. A recent report from Florida <http://newsblaze.com/story/2010062806331500001.bw/topstory.html>
tells us that 81% of all loans in the state are “underwater,” and that
nearly 40% of all Florida borrowers owe more than 150% of the value of their
homes – just another hay bale in the wind. And the commercial real estate
debacle we have been warning of has yet to hit the fan.
Read more:
http://www.activistpost.com/2010/08/black-swans-need-not-apply.html
Have you ever seen Pitch Black? Said the Muslim Holy
Man: "The model predicted a lasting darkness." As Stan Lee put it, " 'nuff
said".
-- BDAB,
Josh
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ADD/ADHD and Ritalin in Sweden
Re the comments about ADD/ADHD:
A few years ago I did a MS in Business Education. One
of my courses was Special Education. One of the class requirements was a
paper and I chose to write mine on "The Use and Abuse of Drugs in the
Treatment of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder". I can send you the
whole paper if you wish.
At the time, I was in maillist with a woman who is a
special education teacher in Sweden. Naturally I asked her how they did it
in Sweden. Here is what I wrote in the paper based on how she explained it
to me:
+++ As mentioned before, Ritalin use is predominantly
an American phenomena with over 90% of the total world production consumed
in the US. Next to no information about Ritalin use in other countries seems
to be available. However, it might be helpful to look at Swedish practice as
regards Ritalin.
In 1968, Sweden effectively banned the general use of
Ritalin due to potential problems. It is still used but only under rigidly
controlled conditions. The process for treatment with Ritalin is:
1) The child is diagnosed by a psychiatrist as having
ADHD
2) The treating psychiatrist will work with the
patient and may try a number of different therapies to manage the ADHD.
3) If the patient does not respond to any of the other
therapies, they may be referred by the psychiatrist to one of a very limited
number of specialists. These are specially licensed psychiatrists and are
the only ones permitted to prescribe Ritalin in Sweden.
4) Due to the limited number of specialists, the
patient is placed on a waiting list.
5) When the patient's name comes up, a comprehensive
examination takes place. This examination may take a week and will include
examination of task completion at home, at school and specialized testing at
the psychiatrist's office.
6) If the specialized psychiatrist feels that the
patient will benefit from Ritalin, an application will be made to the
Swedish National Board of Health.
7) The board will review the case and if they feel
that Ritalin is justified, the patient will be permitted to receive it.
8) While taking Ritalin, the patient is carefully
monitored to verify that the Ritalin is helping.
Given this process, it is easy to see why Ritalin use
and abuse is so low in Sweden. I am indebted for the above information to my
friend XXXXX, who is a special education teacher in XXXXXX Sweden. ++++
I redacted my friend's name and city. This was written
in 2001 so may or may not still be correct.
I got an A on the paper, BTW.
Feel free to print this or not, with or without my
name, as you see fit.
Best,
John R Henry CPP
Apparently most of the Ritalin consumed in the
world is prescribed in the United States.
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RE: I think I've seen discussions like this at Chaos
Manner
Dr. Pournelle, Having seen many discussion of the
state of education here. I thought this might interest you. The link in the
story takes you to Newsweek.
<http://news.slashdot.org/story/
10/08/21/0027242/Union-Boycotts-
LA-Times-Over-Teacher-Evaluation-Disclosure>
Quae nocent, saepe docent,
Douglas Knapp
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Space Access
Update #117 8/21/10 Copyright 2010 by Space Access Society
Contents This Issue:
NASA Exploration Funding: The Battle Continues
- A Followup to SAU #115 "The New NASA Exploration Policy/An URGENT Call To
Action SAU #116 "NASA Exploration Funding: An URGENT Call To Action"
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NASA Exploration Funding: The Battle Continues
"No man's life and property are safe while the
legislature is in session." - widely attributed to Mark Twain
This is a followup to our last two Updates,
both of them urgent political alerts in the continuing battle over
fundamental reform of NASA's human space exploration program. The good news
is, with your help, the last round was a standoff. But the fight is far from
over. It's once again time to get active, if we don't want to see these
reforms sunk without a trace. And this time, we actually have a couple of
weeks warning.
State of Play
The House NASA Authorization bill, HR.5781 was
up for full House consideration, but was pulled back at the last second when
it became clear there was considerable lack of consensus on major
provisions. (To every one of you who called your Representative, thanks!)
The Senate NASA Authorization, S.3729, meanwhile has been approved by the
full Senate. Both House and Senate are now on recess till the week of
September 13th.
The Senate version is not great, but is
livable, with $3.9 billion overall Exploration funding split as follows:
$1.6 billion for NASA development of a new in-line Shuttle-derived
heavy-lift launcher, $1.1 billion for continuation of the Orion capsule, and
$1.1 billion for the rest of Exploration. That last $1.1 billion includes
reduced but still substantial funding for the Commercial Crew, Commercial
Cargo, and other new space technology/exploration precursors we support.
(S.3729 also fully funds Commercial Reusable Suborbital Research, under
another account.) Close to a billion dollars of NASA exploration funding
directed toward useful things is hugely better than we would have hoped for
coming into this year.
The House version is extremely bad. HR.5781 is
essentially a blueprint for the destruction of NASA human space exploration
in the name of saving it. - Out of a total $4.5 billion Exploration funding,
it devotes $4.2 billion to development of a new in-house NASA heavy booster
(to be based on existing Ares work) plus a government-owned Station
transportation system based on the Orion capsule. - It makes drastic cuts in
funding for developing US Commercial Crew and Cargo to Station capabilities,
to a small fraction of NASA's request. - It imposes "poison pill"
requirements on potential US commercial crew services that neither NASA nor
existing Russian crew service providers have to meet. - It zeroes
Exploration Technology and Robotic Precursor Missions funding.
The gutting of Commercial Crew and Cargo
budgets, and the Commercial Crew poison pills, will leave us spending
hundreds of millions annually for non-US Station transport services for the
forseeable future, and will leave us with no backup should those non-US
services have technical or political problems.
The new House-mandated NASA heavy booster and
Station-transport Orion get less funding than, but a similar schedule to,
what the Augustine Commission already found unworkable for the old
Ares/Orion. The issue of what Station-Orion would fly on (2015 operational
goal) while waiting for the new heavy lifter (2020 goal) is not even
addressed, never mind funded. The odds are extremely poor that these
projects would ever amount to anything beyond never-fly jobs programs. Even
if the new vehicles do eventually fly, NASA would still have no deep space
missions to fly on them, due to this bill's effective starvation of all
other Exploration precursor work.
Pursuing the path implicit in HR.5781 would
reduce our nation's international commercial space competitiveness, would
damage our national space technology base, and would destroy NASA's chances
of moving out beyond low orbit in any meaningful way for decades to come.
What's Next
Our understanding is that they'll try to pass
HR.5781 again right after Congress returns from this recess. There will be
three opportunities to fix it: In negotiated modifications before it's
reintroduced to the House, by amendment on the House floor, or by
negotiations in the House-Senate conference committee that will reconcile
the two versions. The process may move very quickly once Congress is back.
We need to prepare the ground now.
Recommended Action:
Contact your Representative and both your
Senators, and ask them to support the Senate version of the NASA
Authorization bill, because the House version is unacceptably bad. Get as
many of your friends as you can to do it too. Numbers count. We need to make
as many of our Representatives and Senators as possible aware of our
concerns in the next few weeks, before deals start being made on the final
NASA Authorization bill. Start doing it now, don't wait till the last
second. (We may ask you to do it again at the last second - a little
repetition does no harm.)
Contact Info for Representative and Senators:
If you know their names, you can call the US Capitol switchboard at (202)
224-3121 and ask for their DC office. If you don't know who your
Representative is, go to
http://www.house.gov/zip/ZIP2Rep.html and enter your home zipcode.
(You may need the 9-digit version.) For Senators listed by state, go to
http://www.senate.gov/general/
contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Once through to their office, let the person
who answers know you're calling about the NASA Authorization bill. They may
switch you to another staffer (or that staffer's voicemail) or they may take
the call themselves. (If you're calling after-hours or they're getting a lot
of calls, you may go directly to a voicemail.)
Regardless, tell them you want
(Representative/Senator TheirName) to support the Senate version of the NASA
Authorization, because the House version has major problems.
Briefly give one or two reasons you support the
Senate version... - it provides adequate funding for NASA Commercial Crew
and Cargo - it supports US rather than foreign crew and cargo service
providers - it provides some funding for new NASA exploration technology -
it enhances our national technological competitiveness - it partially
addresses the NASA problems pointed out by the Augustine Commission and
begins to restore NASA's ability to usefully explore - it supports the
President's NASA policy ...then a reason why you oppose the House version -
see the bullet points in the HR.5781 paragraph above. Then answer questions
(if any) as best you can, and politely sign off.
OK, that's the basic version. Some of you may
want to get more involved in this effort than making a few quick phone
calls. Letters and faxes are great! (Emails much less so; you know how much
spam you get - now imagine the amount a Congressman gets. Better to phone
than to email.) Keep letters to one page, state your basic point (Dear
Representative/Senator TheirName, I am writing to request that you support
the Senate NASA Authorization, since the House version is very, very bad...)
in the first sentence of the first paragraph, then go into a paragraph or
two of supporting detail, then politely wrap up. Faxes may be slightly
better than paper mails in that they arrive faster and more reliably - if
you are going to paper-mail a letter, do it early so it has time to get
through the security checks.
And for you real self-starters out there, your
Representative and Senators are on recess, and will probably spend some time
back at home with the voters in the next few weeks. - You can show up at a
"town hall" and get in line for the microphone with your request ready ("I'm
worried about the future of NASA. I'm here to ask that you support the
Senate version of this year's NASA Authorization bill, because the House
version has serious problems") plus an example or two to give if you get the
time. - You can call their local office and try to set up an appointment to
meet your legislator (or an appropriate staffer) and spend a few minutes
making the case in person. If you do, we strongly recommend you study up on
the details, do the whole well-groomed businesslike and courteous thing,
practice making your case in less than the allotted time, and unless they
keep you longer with questions, depart on-time gracefully. - You can come up
with some other way entirely to let them know what you, their constituent,
want. We haven't come close to covering all the conventional effective
methods here. Just remember though, if you're thinking of getting creative -
keep it legal, keep it safe, make VERY sure it gets the point across
unmistakably clearly - we've seen way too many political messages delivered
so cleverly that nobody else can tell what the message is - and make SURE it
doesn't make us all look like flakes (way too easy when we're talking space)
or annoy people counterproductively. (Simple parameters, yeah, we know...)
Then let us know how you did it!
There's one other very effective way you can
help out, if you can be in Washington DC for a few days around the start of
the week of September 13th: Some of our DC colleagues are very likely to be
organizing citizen lobbyist visits on Capitol Hill early that week. We plan
to support their efforts. More on that as soon as we know more.
What it comes down to is, if we care about US
space commercial and technical competitiveness, if we want to see NASA with
some hope of going new and interesting places anytime soon, we need to keep
at this, and we need to get more organized about it. To that end, if you do
make a call, send a letter, or otherwise deliver the message, afterwards
please email us at space.access@space-access.org, with "contact" in the
email title, and describe briefly who you contacted, how you contacted them,
and what (if any) response you got? (If you don't want to go onto our
mailing list for Updates, be sure to mention that.) Thanks!
Now go get 'em.
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Letter From
England
P!=NP proof is probably
incorrect. See <http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/post.aspx?bid=349&bpid=25616>
I spent a day in Northern Ireland
as an external examiner for a PhD. They didn't have far to fall in the
current downturn--60% of their economy was already Government jobs. There
seem to be plenty of well-qualified people, but there isn't much capital
investment--we're seeing the same thing in the North East. It appears the
payoff for low-risk short-term investment in London is sufficiently high
that very little money is going into longer-term investment elsewhere in the
country.
Malware apparently contributed
to fatal air crash <http://tinyurl.com/2ves3g8>.
Suppose they were to chase down the guy responsible for the malware and jail
him 8)...!
UK police force now requires
underwear to be inconspicuous and of an appropriate colour... <http://tinyurl.com/3xcbxvd>.
Could you imagine what Monty Python would do with that?
Crash scam becoming popular in
the UK <http://tinyurl.com/32wpr2b>
UK navel-gazing about research
and education:
A-level results continue to
rise: <http://tinyurl.com/2v4slrl>.
This may not be due to easier tests--remember the Flynn Effect.
Six students per place: <http://tinyurl.com/2vy8ome>
Youth opportunity in the UK in
decline <http://tinyurl.com/32vdm6p>.
Blaming low social mobility on
poor parenting rather than social class. <http://tinyurl.com/34n35hf>.
THE editorial comparing the
holes in the ground occupied by California and the UK <http://tinyurl.com/33qmoea>
Secret list of 'banned' A-level
subjects not accepted by top UK universities <http://tinyurl.com/37fq7zq>
THE opinion piece on research <http://tinyurl.com/2vwgoys>
--
Harry Erwin, PhD
"Old age and treachery will beat
youth and enthusiasm."
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An Officers View on The Iraq Reconstruction
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2006/jul/03/00019/
Pretty much how I thought it was going pre-surge.
If I doubted that the
Iraqis were any more committed than my own superiors to outfitting and
training their army, the answer came after a long presentation to the
Iraqi army battalion’s executive officer, offering suggestions on his
logistics operational plan. I concluded by asking what he thought. “My
plan is that you should care for all of our logistical needs,” he said.
“Why?” I asked. The Iraqi executive officer replied, “You broke our
country. Now, you fix it.” The essence of a failed policy did not get any
clearer than that.
. . .
I returned home in
September 2005, grateful and safe, but stripped of the illusions I had
taken with me.
. . .
I believed in my mission, and I wanted the Iraqis I was training to run
their own country. But this wasn’t an American priority, and I left Mosul
feeling that my efforts were either erased or ignored.
That’s not to say that the men who died in Iraq died for nothing. They
were doing their jobs. But the Bush administration disgraces their
memories by stating that our only option is to prolong a losing policy. If
I learned anything from the lessons I was charged with teaching, it’s that
a good military leader examines costs and benefits and adjusts his course
accordingly. Yet this administration refuses to learn from its mistakes,
level with the soldiers fighting its war, and bring the sad American
chapter called Iraq to a close.
David March
The above was written in 2006,
well before the election.
It is one view. It is not much
different from what I said would happen when I opposed going into Iraq in
the first place, and very much opposed staying there. A Republic had no need
of an extended stay in Iraq. A competent Empire would have built an army of
auxiliaries and set up a puppet ruler. A competent Empire would have paid
attention to priorities, got the oil pumping again, built a native army to
keep order, and kept the Legions in fortresses to rule the native cohorts
and vexillations whose task was to tame the people. It would not have been
pretty, but it would have been preferable to Saddam and his psychopathic
sons. It was also a policy that requires money -- the kind of money that
could only be generated by Iraqi oil. We could never pump enough oil to make
Iraq profitable, but we could pump enough to keep energy prices low, and
thus make the US economy boom.
I predicted that our policy
would be incompetent Empire, and I have seen little to change my views. The
incompetence began when Bremer was sent in: neither competent nor capable of
learning, he may be the most incompetent proconsul since Roman time .
In 117 the proud
emperor wisely elected to withdraw from Mesopotamia, and died in
retreat in Cilicia. His adopted son and successor, Hadrian, returned
Mesopotamia to Parthia the following year. “Thus it was,” wrote Dio, “that
the Romans, in conquering Armenia, most of Mesopotamia, and the Parthians,
had undergone severe hardships and dangers for naught.” But as historian
B. W. Henderson put it, “it was very wise to abandon what could not be
kept.” Mesopotamia resumed its former status as a prosperous part of
Persia. The citizens of Rome didn’t suffer from the loss of a couple of
briefly-held eastern provinces, or the revival of Parthian power up until
that empire’s fall over a century later. Nor did it suffer when Hadrian,
on the island of Britain at the other end of the empire, elected to build
his famous barrier between Rome and “barbarian” Celtic tribes. Hadrian’s
Wall, marking the boundary of Roman Britain, denoted the realistic
recognition of the limits of imperial power.
We are neither withdrawing
from Iraq nor leaving behind a stable ally. The story is not ended.
God save the Legions.
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Rich Getting Richer
I notice that the article by Dr. Saez, Director of the
Center for Equitable Growth at Berkeley, is based on the IRS income data.
Three points should be made.
First, his frequent and unfavorable references to
ex-President Bush may hint at a tendency to read the data in a certain way.
But the second is more important. The IRS income
series is compiled by household, and it really does make a difference if
that household consists of a married couple with both employed. A large part
of the increased "share" of earned income by the top percentiles has been at
least in part an artifact of intact double-income families rather than of
Scrooge McDuck wallowing in his cash vault. On the contrary, an enormous
proportion of the lowest-earning households are comprised of single-parent
families, primarily headed by women abandoned by men anxious to avoid
fatherhood responsibilities. A simple thought experiment suffices: imagine
three people earning equal incomes, save that two of them are married to
each other and the third lives alone. The married family will account for
twice as much income as the single family, yet with no necessary injustice
in the "distribution" of wealth. This does not mean that there is no income
inequity -- there will always be such differences due to all sorts of
factors, ranging from dumb luck to diligent work to desire to pursue
happiness rather than money, etc. Some people may prefer to be artists
selling their pottery out of a van and living free. It would be grossly
unfair to force them to be stockbrokers, to the peril of their souls. I saw
no evidence in Dr. Saez's paper that he addressed that issue; but is it
symptomatic of his class to treat a class as if it were monolithic in its
makeup.
A third point, curiously overlooked, is that the truly
wealthy are seldom those who work for wages. Studies of income distribution
apply only to those who have incomes. Those who simply _have_ privilege and
wealth -- vast properties and the like -- do not show up on that particular
radar screen. Their own income may be trivial. Their servants might be paid
directly from the trust, for example; so it is the maid's income, not the
master's that winds up on the IRS tables.
MikeF
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You may have seen this a
ka-jillion times already, but here it is again.
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/
marginalrevolution/2010/08/la-times-ranks-teachers.html
It's a link to a blog that discusses the LA Times
apparently trying to link teachers to performance! With statistics that
already exist but the LA County Unified doesn't report! This appears to be
legitimate public service?! And the Teacher Union are organizing a boycott?!
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/
la-me-0819-teachers-union-20100819,0,5684383.story
Wow.
Thanks again for the site; just started reading it
again more (and re-upped the sub., too) after hearing you on TWiT. I hope
you do more of those! Picked up "Oath of Fealty" in a used bookshop just the
other day also...interesting how it in some ways presaged the "gated
communities" and other items of latter-day "civilization". The discussions
on taxes and "social contract" must have seemed weird in the 80s? Funny too
how wireless comms. and the "mainframe" model of computing were "missed" in
that era of S.F. Next up: "The Gripping Hand"...you and Niven do rip along
at a good pace you know?
Jay R. Larsen BA, MBA
Thanks
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