Price, Earning, and $10/share Facebook

 

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The tumult and the shouting dies, the Goldman Sachs and the Sovereign funds depart…

Which is to say that the Facebook IPO is over, and on today’s trading those who invested money in the notion that Facebook is worth 40 or more times earnings per share have lost money. I don’t know why anyone would be surprised. Think on it: if you bought Facebook at the initial price of $38 (and thus put money in the bank for the founders, employees, and early private investors in Facebook who certainly would like to have your money) you have bought paper that Facebook will need forty years to be able to buy back. The alternative is that Facebook will cleverly invest its earnings in a way that causes other people to buy that paper for what you paid for it. Or that enough people out there will decide that this is such a good deal they have to get in on it, and they will bid more for your paper than you paid.

By contrast, Apple is trading at about ten times earnings, and Google trades at about 12 time earnings.

Of course Facebook can grow. It only has a billion members. It can get more. Surely there is great potential for growth here. And we can advertise to them, and companies will pay to run those ads. Facebook shares will rise, double in value –

And thus are bubbles created, but it didn’t happen that way. Facebook is now down to below the initial offering price, and is likely to fall more. Those whose orders got lost by the buggy NASDAQ software and thus didn’t get in on the IPO turn out to be lucky. Even more lucky – or astute – would be the initial stockholders who sold out at the IPO price – at least it certainly looks that way. I would think that the end of the hype is the end of the Facebook bubble, and the price will continue to fall until Facebook is down in the region of ten times earnings. Even at that it will take Facebook ten years to earn enough to buy your share (just as it takes Apple or Google that long to make enough to earn enough to buy their own shares. Which is to say that given current earnings, Facebook would be worth about $38/4 which is to say less than $10 a share.

Will it fall that far? Who knows, really? But without a lot more expected revenue – either for real, or expected from exciting new ideas in converting that huge membership to a revenue source, either directly or through buying something that can be advertised on Facebook – it’s highly unlikely. Microsoft shot up from its first days after going public because Gates had the vision of a computer on every desk, and in every home, and in every classroom, and Microsoft software running on every one of those computers; and Microsoft pretty well achieved that. Apple almost died until the Return of King Jobs with his visions of smart phones and elegant tablets brought it back from a minor player to a giant worth ten or twelve times earnings, and stays there partly because of momentum and partly because Jobs infused Apple with his vision of how to take the inevitable new technology and make it something everyone wanted. Google is there because – well, that depends on to whom you listen. But for Apple, or Microsoft, or Google to get up above 20 times earnings is going to take a lot of vision along with the razzle-dazzle to sell it.

There was a time when people bought stock based on expected dividends. American tax laws have made it far more worthwhile for corporations to use their revenues to increase the value of their stock rather than concentrate on long term steady profits and dividends. That encourages speculation and bubbles – you pay less tax on money ‘earned’ by razzle-dazzle than on income from making good stuff and selling it at a profit. The result is that companies devour each other, buy their competition, and generally do whatever they can to increase capital gains. One remedy would be to tax interest, dividends, and capital gains at the same rates – after all, they are returns on investments made with money you’ve already paid taxes on – but that doesn’t seem to be in the realm of political possibilities. Thus we have all this focus on growth and razzle-dazzle, and not much on just building a solid company that makes stuff people want and will buy.

That’s not the way capitalism is supposed to work, but it’s what we have.

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I’m off to work on fiction. Mail bag tonight, I hope.

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A walking tour through Rome

View 725 Sunday May 20, 2012

 

I’ve been busy with a bunch of stuff. We’ve seen the eclipse. Sable went to a new groomer yesterday, and she loves the place. She looks gorgeous. I’ll do a photograph tomorrow.

I was digging about looking for some other stuff and I found my 2002 walking tour of Rome. I’ll have essays tomorrow sometime – tomorrow is part of the new regime which includes a Monk’s Cell tour – bit if you’re looking for some observations about life and times in 2002 and a photojournalist walking tour of Rome, it starts here: http://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/trips/rome1.html and goes on through three more parts.

 

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Puppy Inspectors and SNAP Cards

View 724 Friday, May 18, 2012

The Facebook IPO charges forward, with the share price rising, and everyone is happy. Particularly Eduardo Saverin, whose 4% ownership of Facebook translates into more than a billion dollars. Saverin, born in Brazil and brought here as a child, became a citizen of the United States, and then renounced that citizenship after he fled to Singapore. Singapore has no capital gains tax. The United States, which is fixated on growth (as opposed to, say, small but reliable and sustained profit) has one of the highest capital gains taxes in the world. There is outrage in the United States Senate: Saverin, having enjoyed the hospitality of the United States and having participated in building one of the largest companies in the world, was insufficiently grateful. He should have stood by and paid his taxes like a man (is it politically correct to say things like that now?) and have been glad to do it, rejoicing that he was able to pay his share of SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) cards now issued in lieu of what we used to call Food Stamps. For those who want to know more about how we spend the money that Saverin doesn’t want to pay, see “Food Stamps and the $41 Cake” by Warren Kozak in today’s Wall Street Journal. And never forget the Bunny Inspectors. Incidentally, the authority of that section of the Department of Agriculture has just been expanded to include home kennels who sell puppies: they are getting closer to requiring a Federal license if you sell dogs from your home. Just think. Saverin has passed up the opportunity to pay for Puppy Inspectors as well as Bunny Inspectors.

Democrats in the Senate want that money. The health of the Republic is at stake. Just think , we might have to combine the duty of Puppy Inspector with that of Bunny Inspector! We can’t overwork these tireless civil servants! Go get that expatriate money. The Constitution doesn’t allow ex post facto laws nor does it allow bills of attainder, but surely we can find ways around that. SNAP cards, bunny inspectors, all these Federal marvels: no wonder the government needs more money.

Perhaps the remedy is to raise the capital gains tax. Facebook is going to be valued at a hundred billion dollars. Surely we can shake them down for half of that, which can be used to give SNAP cards to voters.

Federal Food Stamps, Bunny Inspectors, and Puppy Inspectors are activities best left to the states; there is absolutely no reason why these ought to be federal programs, and had these ideas been brought up for discussion at the Convention of 1787 they would not only have been roundly rejected but the very notion that they might become federal activities would have ended the Union before it began. Now we issue Federal SNAP cards. Want to bet that they will be advertising them just before the election? And I know of at least one SNAP card wielded by an illegal alien.  Which, of course, Mr. Saverin will be if he foolishly returns to the United States now that his work in creating Facebook is over. We’ll fix him.

And the beat goes on. We have sown the wind. Now it is time to reap.

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Yesterday’s mailbag had this item:

Exploding Liquid Nitrogen: Where Does the Energy Come From?

Jerry

LN2 + H2O = explosions, videorecorded:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/exploding-liquid-nitrogen-where-does-the-energy-come-from/

Ain’t science grand?

Ed

It has generated a lot of mail, which will go in a future mailbag. Thanks to all who commented. For the record, the energy comes from the temperature difference in the tank after the event – it will be smaller than it was before the explosion. The reason the tank explodes is that the liquid nitrogen boils immediately, and being a liquid it mixes readily and has a large surface area exposed to the warm – room temperature, but that’s very hot compared to the boiling temperature of LN2. Fast boiling is another word for very rapid expansion, which is to say an explosion, which sends a layer of water and a large pile of rubber ducks into the air.

What surprised me about the event was that the can itself was lifted off the ground. The shock wave from the boiling LN2 must have distended the bottom of the can violently enough to lift the entire can several inches. I wouldn’t have predicted that in advance.

Anyway it looks like great fun, and let me repeat the warning, don’t do this at home. I survived making several ounces of nitroglycerine many decades ago, and as I look back on it, even though we took a number of precautions (the Encyclopedia Britannica warned us that the reaction was violently exothermic), we were extremely lucky. People bright enough to enjoy that kind of experimentation should survive. Playing with explosives is fun, but the future is in biology anyway. Get your kids a copy of Robert Bruce Thompson’s Illustrated Guide to Home Biology Experiments: All Lab, No Lecture. I just got a review copy. With luck I’ll be able to start doing the column again and I’ll do a full review, but if you know any bright kids this would be a good present.

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The evidence piles in on the Zimmerman/Martin case, and all of it supports the view that the local police and local prosecutors made the right decision in the first place. You can charge Zimmerman with poor judgment, but it does not appear that he started the fight, and it does appear that he was losing it. The likely outcome of all this take years and will be three expensive trials all ended with hung juries. I am not convinced that outcome will be satisfactory to anyone, nor is the example healthy for the Republic.

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If you want a picture of the near future, see Kimberly Strassel, Vampire Capitalism, in today’s Wall Street Journal.

This week the Obama campaign debuted its attack on Bain Capital, the private-equity firm Mitt Romney founded. Its two-minute ad purports to tell the story of GS Technologies, a Kansas City-based Bain investment that went bankrupt in 2001.

To hear the Obama campaign, this is a tale of greed: GST was a healthy, happy, quality steelmaker until Bain plundered its worth and stripped its 750 workers of their due. "It was like a vampire," laments one former employee in the ad. "They came in and sucked the life out of us."

Unsurprisingly the real story is a bit different. You can expect to see a lot more of this over the long hot summer. The productive are vampires robbing the poor, and the worst of them flee the country to avoid paying their fare share of taxes. You’ll see a lot of this.

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A mixed bag

Mail 724 Thursday, May 17, 2012

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Victor Davis Hanson

I have a few things to say about Mr Hanson’s article

1) Slap a user tax on the some $10–15 billion that is estimated to leave the state in remittances to foreign countries, or at least through executive action make foreigncash <http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/299975/can-california-be-fixed-victor-davis-hanson#> remittances grounds for disqualification from state public assistance <http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/299975/can-california-be-fixed-victor-davis-hanson#> .

So, what prevents anyone from opening up a bank account in Nevada, transferring money there, and then to a foreign country? What prevents someone from taking cash money, deposit it in a foreign bank account?

What prevents someone from making out a 7-11 money order and mailing it to a foreign address?

4) Cap the amount one can receive from a California public pension, or multiple pensions at $100,000.

So, all of a sudden, pensioners are going to have their contracts abrogated?

If it is legal to do that, then can you do the same to Social Security?

The State enters into a legal agreement, even if an absurdly ridiculous one, then decides that even though we agreed to pay you this pension, and you agreed to work for us to earn it, we now decided it was a bad decision on our part and we are cutting back? Maybe he means no future pensions may be paid this way, but it is not clear.

9) Deport the 20,000 plus illegal-alien felons now in California state prisons to their countries of origin.

And President Obama will not sue the State of California over the matter?

The practicalities often get in the way, of course. Good points.

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It’s not just California where the teachers are dumber than the students.

Tonight on Fox business they had a story where Florida is dumbing down their tests they give to 4th graders because the 4th graders failed a statewide test. The example they gave was one where students were asked what it is like to ride a camel and were asked to describe it. And they couldn’t.

The problem with teachers in this state and in other states is that they’re unionized and for the most part can’t be fired nor is there any accountability nor any apparent way to determine which teachers are doing a good job and which are doing a bad job.

When I worked in retail, I had to review all of the applications we received and it was incredible. The people who applied for cashier jobs could barely write, could not describe their last jobs, could not pass a basic math test ( addition, subtraction, multiplication, etc. ) had spotty work records or none at all ) and in some cases when we hired people they could not grasp how to use a cash register to ring up a sale.

This is not to blame all teachers nor to call all of them incompetent. There are stupid graduates out there.

But I don’t see this kind of thing happening when I talk to children who go to private schools. They know history, math, etc and are intelligent as hell.

The liberal states would NEVER do it, but what we really need to do is scrap the entire lower education system and give the money to the parents with the codicil that they must send their kids to private schools.

I went to private schools and Catholic schools ( and got a dispensation because I was Jewish ) and I LEARNED the fundamentals of English, passed Algebra with an A after failing it twice in public schools and didn’t have gangs of students attacking me which I saw and had done to me in the schools of San Francisco.

Public teachers are in a guild which is even more exclusive than those of the middle ages. Those in their unions who are not liberals are forced to donate to political candidates they don’t approve of yet have NO power to say no.

As for California, the legislature continually passes new laws that spend more and more without cutting spending except for the poor who have no co-ordinated voice to object.

There is a ballot initiative to turn the legislature into a part time legislature which is what it used to be prior to 1966, but one Democratic legislator told me in his public forum that we need to keep it full time while he complained that he gets no pension.

As long as liberals keep voting for anti business politicians who also pass new and increasingly onerous regulations yet also pass laws that allow illegals to attend our colleges for free, its going to get worse.

I expect that when there’s rioting in the streets people might wake up, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

The only way to avoid this is to leave California but where does one go where liberalism doesn’t run rampant ?

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As for the sun, we’ve had a quiet period and will probably see increased activity with increased solar flares. There’s a huge sunspot on the sun that has sent out a couple all ready. Even the psychics are saying that the sun is going to give us problems.

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I don’t know from where you get your information on Afghanistan. Are we going to continue to prop up a corrupt government that the people in the countryside do not support.

I did find something curious in last months Leatherneck magazine ( a great magazine if you want to know what our Marines are really doing over there ). There’s a project in 5 cities to build air conditioned solar powered produce facilities so that Afghans can bring their produce to market and sell it without it wilting in 130 degree heat. The article showed a Marine SOLAR engineer ( Imagine that, I thought engineers just built bridges ) supervising the finishing of the installation of solar panels at the first solar powered facility built.

So we’re spending millions on solar powered a/c facilities over there, while wasting billions to prop up failed solar companies over here. Look at the prices of stocks of coal and solar companies today, the solar companies that Obama is pushing have dropped big time and he’s wasted $ 3 billion on subsidies to them.

How many homes and businesses could have gotten off the grid for that kind of money thus reducing pollution and our dependence on using coal ?

I read the alternative magazines and people are building their own solar panels for workshops on their properties, they aren’t waiting for government aid to do it.

Glad you’re feeling better from whatever the hell kind of crud you had.

Me, I just had 2 teeth pulled and my sinusitis is lessening. The idiot dentist told me you can’t get sinusitis from an infected tooth or abcessed gum. He couldn’t be more wrong.

best wishes,

george

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I said when the Taliban fell that we should now get out, leaving behind the message that we’d be back if any part of Afghanistan was used to plot malice against the United States. Afghanistan makes nothing that we want, and while it has some minerals we could use, the Chinese are closer. WWe made our point when Kabul fell to the Northern Alliance and a few hundred SEALS and Rangers.

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Prison costs in Louisiana vs. California

An article happened to mention that the private prisons in Louisiana cost $24.39 a day for each inmate. I looked up the number for California and it was $129.04 a day.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/05/louisiana_is_the_worlds_prison.html

http://www.ehow.com/about_5409377_average-cost-house-inmates-prison.html

California has about 170,000 inmates, so they could save 6.5 billion dollars a year by sending their prisoners to Louisiana.

Joel Upchurch

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A whiff of humility.

Dr Pournelle

A whiff of humility. (As you have said, we seldom need educating, but we often need reminding.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtAuEYHaI1w7m2s

Live long and prosper

h lynn keith

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Just lower the standards

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/05/ap-army-leaders-mull-sending-women-ranger-school-051612/

"WASHINGTON — Army leaders have begun to study the prospect of sending

female soldiers to the service’s prestigious Ranger school — another

step in the effort to broaden opportunities for women in the military.

Gen. Raymond Odierno, Army chief of staff, said Wednesday that he’s

asked senior commanders to provide him with recommendations and a plan

this summer. And while he stressed that no decisions have been made,

he suggested that Ranger school may be a logical next step for women

as they move into more jobs closer to the combat lines.

“If we determine that we’re going to allow women to go in the infantry

and be successful, they are probably at some time going to have to go

through Ranger school,” Odierno told reporters. “If we decide to do

this, we want the women to be successful.”

Among the joys of diversity, women firefighters are now exempt from the requirement that they be able to carry a disabled comrade or fire victim down a flight of stairs. That’s in the LAFD which is still a pretty good outfit. There are regulations preventing men from playing in the women’s NBA, but I think they have none forbidding women to compete in the NBA.

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‘Once a patient goes brain dead, and relatives sign his organ donation consent form, he will get the best medical care of his life.’

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Roland Dobbins

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Lamar’s better idea?

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"When I [Lamar Alexander] was governor of Tennessee in the early 1980s, I traveled to meet with President Ronald Reagan in the Oval Office and offer that Grand Swap: Medicaid for K-12 education. The federal government would take over 100% of Medicaid, the federal health-care program mainly for low-income Americans, and states would assume all responsibility for the nation’s 100,000 public schools. Reagan liked the idea, but it went nowhere."

> I do like this idea much better than his Internet sales tax scheme. Now maybe he and others can write and co-sponsor a bill to accomplish this. Said bill should eliminate the federal Department if Education as well. We will see…

Charles Brumbelow

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Exploding Liquid Nitrogen: Where Does the Energy Come From? 

Jerry

LN2 + H2O = explosions, videorecorded:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/exploding-liquid-nitrogen-where-does-the-energy-come-from/

Ain’t science grand?

Ed

I found the video fascinating, and I confess I am having trouble understanding how you get the explosions, But it sure rained ducks…

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Subj: Our tax dollars at work: stimulus-funded routers for West Virginia

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/05/16/speaking_in_tech_episode_8/

"At one library, the router cost more than the structure of the library itself."

We are _so_ Doomed!

Rod Montgomery==monty@starfief.com

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Ha, want to hear a joke that isn’t really a joke but it is because we don’t live there?

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The Board of Education decided in an emergency meeting Tuesday to lower the passing grade on the writing portion of Florida’s standardized test after preliminary results showed a drastic drop in student passing scores.

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Most Respectfully,

Joshua Jordan, KSC

Percussa Resurgo

‘The Board of Education decided in an emergency meeting Tuesday to lower the passing grade on the writing portion of Florida’s standardized test after preliminary results showed a drastic drop in student passing scores.’

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They obviously should vote themselves a new student body.

Roland Dobbins

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Subj: Harvard and MIT announce edX online learning initiative

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/05/mit-and-harvard-announce-edx/

>>EdX will release its learning platform as open-source software so it can be used by other universities and organizations that wish to host the platform themselves. Because the learning technology will be available as open-source software, other universities and individuals will be able to help edX improve and add features to the technology.<<

Rod Montgomery==monty@starfief.com

It is quite possible to get a good education at low cost; but you will have to pay for credentials.

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