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Monday  October 14, 2002

I have been studying the problem of inspections: it seems clear enough to me that no inspection team, particularly one run by the UN which is unlikely to be very aggressive about surprise inspections and visits to politically sensitive places, will ever be able to give us acceptable assurances regarding Iraqi possession of nuclear weapons, much less biological and chemical weapons. 

It would take an army of occupation to do a proper inspection. Even with that you'd need bribes and people intelligence and a way to protect informants.

If we can be openly deterred from invading Iraq, we can be deterred from doing much when there is a suspicion but not a certainty of Iraqi support for terrorist operations.

The problem is simply this: will the United States be more secure if we go into Iraq? And where from there, because the same situation with regard to Iraq obtains with other nations over there. If we go there, we are in the imperial business for your lifetime. Thus the question is simple: can a republic that tries to mind its own business survive in the modern world? Paul Johnson says not. His views are always worth considering.

If we cannot survive without entangling ourselves in the Middle East, then we must think it through: what else must we do there?

And -- given the present momentum, it is likely we will go into Iraq. Once we do, I think it is clear that we will never again return to the Old Republic.  So what do we do after that? What can we keep of the Republic as we make our transition to empire?

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I have bees. Fortunately there's an expert here to deal with them. The good news is that I have ants. With luck the ants will clean up the dead bees and remove the honey from inside my walls.


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Tuesday, October 15, 2002

I am going to go work on BURNING TOWER which has reached the stage novels get to: I hate the thing, but it has to be finished...

I am more and more convinced that we will be going into Iraq, and we'll be there by 4 July next year. The question then becomes, what do we do once we are there and we have won? Who will be our proconsul, and what powers will we give him, given that the will have what Moltke dreaded, "a telegraph wire up his --".

Or will we go along with Sharon: give Iraq to Jordan on condition that Jordan accepts all the Palestinians, who would then be expelled from at least Judea and Samaria, and possibly from Gaza as well.  As one of my correspondents noted, this is one heck of an outcome from The Balfour Declaration...

Where does Turkey fit into all this?  And should we broadcast that any Iraqi general who obeys orders to commit war crimes will be turned over to the Shiites, Kurds, or Turks depending on which group has the most reason to hate that general...  (Surely a US prison won't terrify many Iraqis as a threat...)

And there's a lot of mail, and the new Column is up at www.byte.com  

A reader seems to have found a solution to the WinProxy problem. See mail.

 

 

 

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Wednesday, October 16, 2002

I have a doctor's appointment this morning. Maybe he'll figure out why I haven't been 100% lately. I suspect it's the inevitable results of the passage of time.  But I don't particularly feel old...

If you have not renewed your subscription this would be a good time. Or if you haven't subscribed at all, this is public radio: it really does need support.

If we export our democracy to Iran, will that include perpetual hostility among ethnic groups, politics of blackmail as practiced by Sharpton and Jackson, and absolute lack of sovereignty over the bureaucracy so that not even the Congress can actually get anything done, and the bureaucracy is responsible to no one, President or Congress?  (Incidentally, the lack of control over the bureaucracy is what leads Consuls to become Imperators and use the army to control the government. And as Hayek pointed  out generations ago, many voted for Hitler because he could do what he said he would, while the Weimar government was helpless in the face of the regulators and bureaucrats. And yes, I know I have neglected about a hundred other factors, but those were important.)

Democracy in America, as described by Tocqueville, was self government, lots of private associations, and cheap government which was powerful within its sphere but which had a limited scope. Tocqueville was relevant as recently as when I was teaching political science. Now he describes a forgotten world.

As to the incidents that cause the President to increase power, think on 10,000 dock workers costing a billion a day. Now imagine that in war time.

Now I am off to see the wizards.


They have managed to spear some corpuscles, so we'll know in a few days what they found from that. 


There is more on Empire and Republic in Mail.

And one may interpret this in more than one way:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp-dyn/articles/A25241-2002Oct14.html
 

And also from Roland,

A tale of two ads.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27644.html 

 

 

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Thursday, October 17, 2002

Niven will be here shortly. I see that Ender is now for war. An interesting odyssey, from the novella to the novel to the present day. And perhaps he is right.

In my answer over in mail I ask what are the objectives of the war? Churchill once said that the objective was to wage war, to fight on the land and the sea and the air, to fight on the beaches -- but he was stirring up a nation to answer a mortal threat -- and the end of that game was to put Stalin in a position to menace the world. And when it came to slaughter, Hitler was a piker compared to good old Uncle Joe. So much for war as the objective. It's useful to think of what you want at the end of the fighting.

Meanwhile Bush and Powell have made a sensible proposal to the UN: Saddam submits to real inspections, or we go in. There is more to the negotiation but that is pretty well the proposal. It's an offer the Russians can't refuse, I think. What Saddam does is something else. Can he submit to keep power? I don't know, and I doubt anyone else does, including Saddam.

In that part of the world, strength and success and good luck are 90% of politics. If you appear to have the Mandate of Heaven -- oops, The Will of Allah -- on your side, you are the leader and all follow. Kneel before the light of the world! (See The Talisman by Sir Walter Scott for a picture of the kind of court Saddam wants to have.) Can Saddam submit and remain The Conqueror? 

We can win. The war will be bloody, but little of the blood will be ours. And then what?

 

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Friday, October 18, 2002

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Saturday, October 19, 2002

There was a time when I would have been invited to this:

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,12543,365576,00.html 

Ah well. And a lovely thing she is, too.

Subscribers who did not get yesterday's mail from me should be certain I have the correct address... I have corrected several and alas found one I had neglected to get into my list. Fortunately that kind of error is rare.

About half a dozen had mail bounced because they are over quota...

Timothy Brown I have a BIX mail address for you. BIX no longer exists...

Over in mail there is a long letter and an even longer reply regarding the coming war.  Most of it I dealt with there; but one point made there needs addressing here.

"The foreign policy you seem to be advocating was tried once, and ended in disaster. Before we try it again, I'd like to see something to support it other than slogans, biased predictions of the future, and nostalgia."

No instance was given, so I don't know to what this refers. If it means that it was a disaster that the US stayed out of the Napoleonic Wars, or the Austro-Prussian War, or the Franco-Prussian War, or the Crimean War, or the Kichener Expedition to the Sudan, or the First and Second Afghan Wars, or the Zulu Wars, or the Boer War, then I can say with some confidence, "nonsense." It wasn't a disaster that we stayed out, but it might well have been one had we gone in.

If this refers to World War One, the case is more ambiguous: we did go in. And it can be argued that one result of that was the Treaty of Versailles, and Keynes has analyzed the Economic Consequences (his thesis was disputed in The Carthaginian Peace). It can be argued, indeed, that American intervention in WWI, which was a territorial dispute in Europe, was in fact a disaster. For more on that see Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace; it may well be that Hitler was a direct result of the collapse of the German Empire, and that was a result of American intervention: the War might well have ended with the Kaiser's Peace Offensive had the Brits not confidently expected that the US would be "Colonel Housed" into the war...

If it refers to World War II, there's a lot better case to be made for early intervention; although with what consequences isn't so very clear. There were two very real threats to the West, and Hitler's Germany was only one of them. From 1945 to the Fall of The Wall was a fairly long and perilous time.

If it refers to our not fighting the USSR in 1945, or starting pre-emptive war in 1950, or 1960, or having a nuclear war in 1962, any of which we could have won but at great cost, again it is not clear that staying out was a disaster; and it can be argued that taking Patton's advice ("We're going to have to fight the Russians anyway, why don't we do it while we've got a goddam army over here to do it with?") would in fact have been a disaster. It's not at all clear that the Russo-American War of 1946 would have been easily won or quickly over, or have resulted in the perpetual peace we seek. And it's very clear that by 1962 pre-emptive war wasn't such a great idea at all.

So: it may have been a disaster that the United States did not go to war with Germany in 1936 or in 1938, although I know of no way we could have managed a war vote by Congress in 1936 or 1938 or 1940 for that matter; but I don't know of any other instance in which it clearly was a disaster that we stayed out of war.

As to slogans, biased predictions of the future, and nostalgia, not guilty. 

I suppose the charge most likely to be proved against me is nostalgia. I still plead not guilty.

I don't want to see the US return to a republic out of nostalgia; and any prediction of the future is "biased" in the sense that it must be informed by one's sense of history. My view of history is that of Aristotle: an endless cycle of government forms; modified by Cicero and later Madison and the Framers: there never was a democracy that didn't commit suicide, but perhaps there is a "mixed form" of government, neither monarchy nor aristocracy nor democracy nor tyranny nor oligarchy nor demagoguery: a federal republic, whose component parts have collectively enough power to resist the tendency to make it a single national democracy. That was what they sought to establish in Philadelphia in 1787 over a hot summer without air conditioning. "A Republic, Madam, if we can keep it."

I lived under such a government, and I think it better than what we have now. Whether we can return to it or no, I can't say. It's not likely. Should I then cease to remember it?

I will dispute that "energy independence" is a mere slogan. I am not quite sure which slogans I am supposed to be using as my only justification for my views. I have the charge but not the specification. Perhaps I will be given the courtesy of being told, but I doubt it. In any event, I do believe it possible for the United States to be independent of most of the world, in energy and in raw materials and in human resources. Note I don't say this would be the  best thing to do: I do say there are some prices for globalism that are too high to pay. Dropping atom bombs on foreign cities in retaliation for 911 is one obvious example. Extensive overseas armies involved in running other people's affairs is another although perhaps not so universally agreed as too high a price.

My prediction of the future? American hegemony. Perpetual war for perpetual peace. With luck it will be low level war, and with luck we will do more good than harm, and we won't have to kill too many women and children in our relentless pursuit of peace. Perhaps we can make people's lives so much better that they will cease to see us as conquerors, and learn to love us. We can hope so -- and that those we have not yet conquered will see things that way too, and likewise cease to hate us and seek ways to harm us. We can hope.

My wish for the future? To make examples of those we can prove to have been involved with and to have supported any and all attacks on American citizens; and otherwise to come home, mind our own business, and develop our resources. To be, in a trite phrase, the best America we can be, a land in which we are born free and show others what freedom is.

The Persians chose ethnic Greek subjects of the Persian empire to go to Athens to persuade them to submit. The Athenian answer was "Ah, you have not known freedom. If you had, you would advise us to fight for it, not with the sword only, but the battle ax."

A couple of generations later, the Athenians could tell another people "The strong do as they will, and the weak suffer what they must." And sell an entire city to slavery because it refused to submit to Athenian will.

There never was a democracy that did not commit suicide.

 

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Sunday, October 20, 2002

Over in mail Mr. Hecht asks a thoughtful question about Republic and Empire, requiring an answer that is necessarily incomplete: is it inevitably bad that the republic passes, and the New American Empire begins? 

It is a discussion worth beginning, and I have tried to do so. It continues with another letter on collateral damage.

In the course of writing that reply to Mr. Hecht I tried to find a book, which I believe was entitled Experiment In World Order, that I found in a second hand bookstore in New York City in 1952; it was, I believe, remaindered so it must have been published not too long before that. I didn't find it. I did find a bibliography that contains some intriguing titles. 

And Mr. Thompson has found the book, and I have ordered a copy.

I also found a wonderful speech by The Lady Thatcher, very much worth the attention of those seriously concerned about statesmanship and leadership in this new world.

The Internet is a resource I never contemplated in my youth.

 

 

 

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