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Monday  October 23, 2000

Jerry, I've been using PDQcomm from Crescent for several years, and it is showing its age. In fact it is no longer support by Crescent. (Some kind of legal issues with the vendor.)

I've been looking at Crystal Comm 5.0 w/FTP support. Are you familiar with Crystal? Do you know of a good modern replacement for PDQcomm?

Thanx, Jim Varnado CentralPetTampa@aol.com 

I fear my answers in all cases here are a resounding "I don't know." I used to use all those Compiled Basic Tools and I loved them, much better than Microsoft's standard releases and compatible with all that, and I wrote a number of programs using them. Most still work. But alas, I don't program any longer.


Jerry:

When I was once searching for something unusual, one of the other Daynoters, Shawn Wallbridge, put me in touch with his source in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Chris Willcox, who runs a place with his wife called Designer Graphics. Since then, I have resorted to Chris several times, and he has never failed to find a source for exactly what I have needed, when outfits around me here in Boston, didn't even want to try looking.

He does not do business with credit cards, so he waits to ship until his bank tells him my check went through, but--even so--that's been fast enough for me. If some additional cost is not a problem, I imagine you could wire him the money to speed up the process.

You might have to pay US customs (who knows how they determine that stuff--I thought NAFTA was supposed to eliminate it), but that has been worth it to me, in order to get exactly what I want.

I know he stocked slockets a year ago. They are a Mom and Pop outfit (literally--you may hear the baby in the background when you call) so you won't get lost in a maze. They actually return calls.

Chris and Maureen Willcox Designer Graphics  chrisw@dgraphics.mb.ca http://www.dgraphics.mb.ca

--Regards, Chuck

But the whole point of internet commerce was to make things simple and easy, and it's not. Thanks. I'll just wait for TCCOMPUTING to get around to sending me what they charged me for. And a reader has offered to send a spare slocket so I can get to building the system I wanted to put together.

hi Doctor,

The Chip Merchant

<http://www.thechipmerchant.com/>

carries them-look under "CPUs". I've ordered from them and their turnaround is pretty good.

Cheers, Rod Schaffter

Thanks. If the abominable TCCOMPUTING doesn't get me one reasonably soon, I'll go there. What infuriates me is they didn't warn me on the 13th that they would not ship until the 18th and then they have not shipped YET. I could have ordered from another place. I HATE TCCOMPUTING.  YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. [September 2002: see next paragraph.]

(September 2002: Apparently www.tccomputing.com is now under new ownership and new management. Maybe sometimes we do things right. I have no views whatever about the new TCCOMPUTING)


Jerry

Windows MediaPlayer7 promises much and generally works well, but Microsoft’s desire to go its own way makes it Not Ready For Prime Time.

The problem with MediaPlayer7 is that Microsoft does not use CDDB as its CD database. The databases it uses are full of errors with no obvious way to tell them about errors. For example, on the Association Live album the outside of the jacket lists 21 songs, omitting the initial track, a humorous rehearsal-room mock-surf song. For that reason, all the remaining tracks are offset, so that the final track is listed as Track 22. Winamp, which uses CDDB, lists track 1 as “Dream Girl”, and track 22 as “Enter the Young.” All the tracks in between are correct.

MediaPlayer 7’s db also has misspelled titles in another Association album.

When I first encountered this in a Beach Boys CD I tried changing titles in the MediaPlayer 7 Library, then on the files themselves. The changes don’t really take. There is some form of internal representation on the file that preserves the error.

I can’t even get MediaPlayer7 to accept correct CDDB labels when I have ripped songs using another app.

This is annoying because one thing that MediaPlayer7 does right is that it (like Winamp) correctly parses trackname, artist and album name, where some rippers do not.

Like you, I am still getting into ripping my CD’s. I wish Microsoft had gone with CDDB.

Ed Hume www.pshrink.com

In fact I have yet to rip anything. And my FM radio is nailed to KUSC when I am not playing Schubert on a standard CD player that plays through my remote controlled stereo system. (Try Arabesque Z-6580-2 of Opus 100 Trio for Piano, Violin, and Cello...)


Jerry,

Why would you want to convert a PowerPoint presentation into HTML? If you install the MS PowerPoint Reader, it loads the appropriate plugins and ActiveX controls to play the files directly from your browsers.(IE and Netscape 4.x, anyway). I assume, but don't know for sure, that there's got to be an equivalent browser enabling option in the PowerPoint install. OTOH, people whom I know have PowerPoint on their machines have not been able to open the files without loading PP, so it may be necessary to do a little looking to find the option.

So all you need is a link to the .pps file.

Jay Luther -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jay W. Luther Law Offices of Jay W. Luther

All I wanted to do was EASILY put up some pictures of the Cole disaster. They came to me in a PowerPoint presentation I could open from mail (but I have the entire Office 2000 Suite installed) and I naively thought I could just paste things onto the web site. Hah.  So although a number of readers were kind enough to tear the thing apart for me and send me separate pictures, and others told me how to do that, I never got a round tuit for that job. 

And I assumed it should be easy, too.

Assumptions can be enormous time wasters.


I enjoy reading your column and it is the first thing I read on Byte. Terminal Server is a hot topic with me so I found your latest column of great interest. I'm glad to see it has come to your attention.

There are a couple of points in your column that might be worth a short discussion. First, the relationship between Metaframe and Terminal Server was not clear in your column. You are right about Metaframe being much cooler than Terminal Server but it is important to note that Metaframe is an add-on to Terminal Server. I suspect you realize that already, but it may not be clear to the casual reader. Next, the Terminal Server feature on a W2K Server can operate in either administrator mode or application mode. Administrator mode lets two users connect without requiring a client license while application mode requires that all clients be properly licensed. Finally, I've never heard of anyone installing NT4 Terminal Server by upgrading an existing NT Server install. Try an install from scratch and see if you have better results. For security reasons, installing TSE on a domain controller is a terrible idea (not that it stops people from doing it).

Licensing for W2K Terminal Server (application mode) is a nightmare. It would be a good topic for your column as you do an excellent job of pointing out situations where companies seem to be trying to ruin their own products and MS licensing for TSE is a great example. If there was any reasonable alternative, Terminal Server wouldn't be going anywhere just because the licensing is so onerous. I'd be happy to share my knowledge of both the licensing requirements and the horrors that comes with the W2K TSE license server if you are interested. It's bad enough that I'm trying to avoid upgrading for as long as possible.

A properly configured Celeron will do fine as a low end Terminal Server server. My test server is a 128MB P233 and it works fine for a few users. Not a barn burner, but it works about as well as you'd expect if you had a 233 on your desk. I'd have no problem at all running 15 users on a fast Celeron with plenty of memory if someone proposed it. I run 40+ users on a dual PII/400 without a problem so I see no reason to believe that a Celeron 700 wouldn't handle 15. Not my first choice as I find multi-processor systems do a better job in the face of CPU hogging applications, but not so bad that I'd recommend against it.

In case you are wondering about my background, I'm an IT infrastructure manager for a Fortune 100 company. I've been using TSE for 3 years and spend several hours a week reading about TSE issues and helping people understand TSE. The two sites I'm directly responsible for have 4 production and 1 test TSE server (all NT4 due to licensing issues). We have about 120 sessions active at a time.

Thanks for all the great columns and books over the years and keep up the good work!

Regards, Bill 

OK, so maybe if I'd read the next paragraph a bit more closely, I would not have mentioned the bit about the casual reader being confused. Maybe only the reader that thinks he's such an expert that he doesn't read carefully would be confused (grin).  

William C. Tanner/CHI/Effem 


"Although it is true that Norton File Manager (part of Norton Navigator) by itself cannot write to DirectCDs, both Servant Salamander 1.52 (freeware <http://vorvan.sh.cvut.cz/salamander>) and PKZip 2.6 for Windows (shareware <http://www.pkware.com/>) can be used as plugins from within File Manager to write directly to CD.

Both these programs allow drag &; drop from File Manager windows (eg. from the FastFind window) directly onto CD. File Manager allows both these programs to be part of the File Manager toolbar and/or menu popup. Define the toolbar entry or menu selection to start with %SELECTION% as the parameter (instead of %1). Now by clicking on something in File Manager, then starting one of these programs, you will be able to write to CD from File Manager. Hint: although FM does not let you write files to DirectCD without using something like the above, it DOES let you create directories or ZIP files on CD, which you can use PKZipW to drag/drop files into from File manager. This is how I do my weekly backups, works fine."

-- Bob Kinnon bkinnon@matrox.com Senior Technical Writer ASIC Group Matrox Graphics Inc. 

Thanks for the information.

I find Nero BURNING ROM and Pletwriter so good -- no coasters yet -- for data CD writing that I do not bother with anything else. These work and work well on a Windows 2000 Professional system with a Pentium 550, and being Good Enough, they are good enough. It ain't broke...


Hi Jerry,

I tried to get DSL but no go. I had it "installed", for 6 weeks, by Qwest and they swore it was working, while nothing worked. Finally I sent all the stuff back and had to fight with them for getting it taken off the bill.

On the other hand, I got AT&;T Broadband to install a Cable modem within one week from original contact, and it works great. I really like it!

I understand a lot of other people are getting bit by the DSL not working bug, and it sounds like the DSL providers are selling beyond their ability to provide.

steve

I have two DSL offers and my Execrable Cable Company swears it will have Cable Modem REAL SOON NOW. I suspect when I call for DSL I will be told Oops!  But we will see.


 

 

 

 

 

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Tuesday, October 24, 2000

I am considerably under the weather today, so there will be few replies.

 

From: Andrew Chaplin Subject: TC Computers rating

If you check out www.resellerratings.com, you'll find TC Computers rates a 4.2 out of 7, which is at the low end of the average scale of the rating system. If I'm ever going to order online from a vendor I haven't dealt with before, I check out that site to see if I might be better off spending a few more dollars elsewhere.

I generally do price comparisons through 2 sites: shopper.cnet.com and www.pricewatch.com. If I don't find a product on one site, it will usually be listed on the other.

Personally, if the product hasn't shipped in a reasonable amount of time, I usually cancel. If they can't ship the product on time, I shudder to think about what might happen if I get a defective product and have to do an RMA.

Good luck!

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Jerry, I too have had some bad experiences with TCComputers - in the end it worked out OK - I mean I got the merchandise and it was of good quality, but it took FOREVER!

I have also had some bad experiences trying to buy slockets. I bought one from a local vendor - it was a no-name brand-x. It wouldn't even think about working. You might as well have attached the CPU with a lump of clay!

I would like to recommend a vendor to you: J&;N Computer Services http://www.jncs.com I have purchased quite a number of items from them. Always good service, you can actually talk to a human if you want, you can email them tech. or shopping questions and they will actually email you an answer. Anyway, they have become one of my preferred vendors.

Randy

I have many other notes of about the same tone and tenor. Thanks


greetings!

i have been working in the industry for a while and first noticed monitor gamma when developing multi-media and vr applications ten years ago. at that time every image editing software used gamma correction to compensate for the fact that input voltages did not respond in a linear fashion to output intensities. the method used to adjust such settings was simple, effective, and i believe still used today.

back then it was required that all media devices, cameras, scanners, displays, printers, etc. be colour-corrected so that when you looked at a picture it looked the same as when you viewed on-screen, on-paper ... to adjust the monitor gamma was it was a matter of bringing up an image on the screen that consisted of four coloured rectangular boxes. these boxes were red, green, blue, and gray. inside each box was another smaller rectangular box of the same colour but a different shade. beneath each box was a slider that allowed you to adjust the gamma setting for that colour component. ( note this used the RGB colour model but there are several other colour models available CYMK for example ) the object was to move the slider until you got the colour of the two rectangules to match as closely as possible for that colour channel. the gray box was used to set the overall gamma. you coud then take the numeric numbers representing the slider positions and input them into the gamma settings for that device.

please be aware that if you switch monitors it is required that you re-adjust the gamma settings for the new monitor. we would do this each and every time we setup a new system or switched video components. this should be done by anyone setting up and/or selling equipment when it is first put together.

i looked into JASC Paint Shop Pro v7 and Photoshop v5 that i friend of my has and noticed that the ganna correction capabilities are still there. you might want to set the gamma on the individual colour channels to the right levels rather than just 'cranking those puppies up'...

i found a couple of good web-sites describing monitor gamma:

http://www.vtiscan.com/~rwb/gamma.html

http://www.cgsd.com/papers/gamma.html - tried this one today but couldn't get on but it is ( was ? ) a great reference site...

regarding Citrix. i have worked with Citric WinFRAME for three years now in a world-wide network environment. i think it is a great product! i understand they bought the NT v3.51 source code and modified it to work as an application server. i was hoping micro$oft would let them do the same for nt 4 but it didn't appear to happen... too bad. i have not had a chance to dig into metaframe as much as i would like but still am pleased with their direction.

and finally, the celeron... i am not sure what the exact nature/cause of your problem is but i have setup numerous celeron server and over-clocked them with the aid of a technical whiz friend of mine and they have worked beautifully for the past several years. we are in the process of setting up a nt cluster using advanced server and been having a bit of fun with it.

rob

by-the-by, have you tried using the 'dynamic disk' feature of 2000 yet? it does not support 'ghosting' but it does speed this up considerably.


Jerry,

I read you article (http://www.byte.com/column/BYT20001012S0001) on the previous issue on Byte.com and I'm not sure I agree with you on, quote "The whole issue turns out to be a tempest in a teapot" and "How do we word a policy so that it conforms to common sense, and at the same time can survive legal twisters? I don't know, and neither does Microsoft."

As I see this it - this could be solved with a easy policy update. Something like: "...This license entitles the user to use the xx version (or lower) of the software..", "....The users are obligated to make sure, in case of a upgrade, to ensure license compliance". The issue is really that these license agreements are just to complicated these days. The large corporations should really try to make them more simple. Like the one Borland had years back when they compared the software with a book. You could install the software on all your machines but, just like a book, if you needed to "use" it on two places at the same time you would need yet another license (ehh book). If you wanted the new release well - you would have to buy the new book....

And, last week I was in California (on a little vacation) and could not resist - I just had to visit Fry's. Here in Norway we have NOTHING that can be compared to neither Fry's or Comp USA etc thus it's like heaven for us to go to one of those stores. I was looking for one of those little boxes that can be used to check if there is a digital or analog phone in your hotel room. That was nearly impossible to find - I was sent between departments - until I found the shelf where those boxes used to be myself. They where sold out. Grrr... This was the Fry's store just south of LAX (El Segundo)

Best regards

Jørn

It happens that Philippe Kahn took that Borland license agreement from one of my early columns. I wish all others had done so.

 

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday, October 25, 2000

From Elizabeth at Golden Bow:

From: "Ramsay, Craig" <Craig.Ramsay@dana.com (by way of IGNITION ENGINEERING <ignition@nccn.net ) (by way of SIERRA DATA SERVICES <sds@nccn.net ) Subject: Fwd: Update on Conditions Aboard Cole X-Loop-Detect: 1

Subject: Update on Conditions Aboard Cole Just had this forwarded to me from a friend of a friend...

John, Your friend said it all. We too are on station and I will be going over there in the morning to provide a lunch. I wanted to grill steak for them on their deck, but there is still too much oil and fuel, not to mention every square foot of deck is now their living space.

Their requests have been simple, hot food, cold drinks and dry coveralls and boots. The ships here are all taking turns doing their laundry and cooking their meals. The Cole's crew has been offered repeatedly to take R&;R on another ship but most have refused. They refuse to leave their ship.

The details of their shipmates having to be cut from the bulkheads and descriptions and photos of the destruction have filtered to our ship. It is amazing that more were not killed. It is equally amazing that it is still afloat. The keel is ripped apart and at present cannot even be towed to open water to be placed on a dry-dock vessel. The #1 engine room is flooded solid, as is AUX 1. The Mess decks deck is now pressed against the overhead. The entire galley was pushed to the starboard side and the equipment is unrecognizable. This is where many crew members died. The ship was very nearly lost. They are truly heroes. We all have a lot to do to save this vessel but the crew of the Cole has endured the brunt of it so far. I have vowed myself and my department to offer any comfort, large or small that we are capable of providing, to the Cole. None of my guys have once complained and all have volunteered to help in any way. The Cole's Suppo was injured and flown home. The disbo is now running things. I will assess his needs when I go over. The Suppo on the Hawes has been controlling the efforts but now that the Tarawa is on station they seem to be taking the reins, but I think I can at least provide him some insight.

Let there be no doubt that this is a hostile land. It took days before we were even allowed to enter territorial waters and still we are heavily restricted in flights and must maintain a constant vigil against additional hostile actions. The Yemen government is still not being very helpful and we are trying to place all personnel on board the ships that are currently staying at the two hotels in town. The Cole's crew remains emotionally and physically drained I'm told. So, since you have experienced Navy life, try to relay to those back home the sacrifices we make, hardships we endure, and the dangers we face in an effort to keep those Stars and Stripes flying high over a ship 10,000 miles from home.

Take care and sleep well knowing the US Navy is on watch tonight, but say a prayer for the 250 members of the Cole who must wake tomorrow to another day of fighting for their ship.

John Cassani USS ANCHORAGE <<

Tom Robison tcrobi@adamswells.com KB9YEB

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message. However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily inconvenienced.


Jerry,

You may already have seen this. I searched your site and didn't see anything about this article.

http://www.electronicnews.com/enews/Issue/FreeIssues/2000/10232000/0110231f-1.asp  

Actually, this is somewhat old news, having been reported on Slashdot last week.

Apparently, Intel has admitted that its commitment to Rambus was a bad idea.

JA -- John Alexander Faculty Resource Center The University of Alabama johnalex@bama.ua.edu

Hadn't seen it, but shucks, I could have told them that 2 years ago. In fact I did...


Astronomy Picture of the Day http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ has an image of an emission nebula formed by the shock of a neutron star plowing through an interstellar hydrogen cloud at 200 km/sec. Cool.

Wade L. Scholine 


Hi, Jerry, I was reading about your spam woes. I imagine that you've probably tried a number of solutions. I thought I might make you aware of a couple more that I have had good luck with. One is SpamKiller, www.spamkiller.com. The other is Brightmail, http://www.brightmail.com/. Of course since I mention spam in this e-mail you might filter so perhaps you will never see this.

Good Luck! Dan Geiser <dgeiser@iname.com>

Actually my problem is sloth. I just don't do some of the things I should do to prevent spam. But real soon now...


Dr. Pournelle,

 I know this is probably an idiot question, but I'm stumped. I installed AOL 5.0 on my Compaq Presario 1090ES running under Win 95. It worked fine for about 3 weeks and then it started crashing at various points while in use. Frustrated, I uninstalled and reinstalled AOL 5.0. This time it worked fine for about 2 weeks before I experienced the same types of problems, i.e., freezes, WIN errors, etc. I'd had before. Again, I uninstalled and reinstalled AOL 5.0. After one week, I was forced to repeat the process. Now very frustrated, I installed AOL 3.0, which promptly upgraded itself to 5.0 when I went online. I am forced to reload AOL every other day now, just to have a couple of hours of reliable use. Is there a way to keep a lower version of AOL from upgrading itself? I've been told that I might solve my problem by upgrading to WIN 98. Unfortunately, I have a very small hard drive, and If I did upgrade, I would be unable to run several unique programs currently on my computer. Is it worth upgrading anyway? 

Thanks for your time, Ben Blatt

Don't use AOL, but perhaps a reader will know more. I'm not in great shape today. My advice is to "upgrade" by getting a new computer or at least installing a new hard disk, but I know that isn't always feasible. I have little experience with Compaq consumer level hardware. Our church had one that worked for years after we all got tired of my putting in old lab rats which people had to relearn, and that Presario got high praise from the staff. And I have used an iPAC with great success and they are cheap.

But I don't know AOL at all.

 

 

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Sir:

I don't use AOL. I don't even pretend to, on TV. However...

Mr. Blatt said he has too little disk to upgrade Win95 to Win98. He didn't say how much is available when AOL crashes. It sounds to me as though his disk fills up. AOL software probably uses a disk cache, and reacts badly when it fills up.

The temporary fix would be to run chkdsk on his disk until it reports no errors. Then delete all the .tmp, .chk and similar files wherever they are. Then purge the AOL disk cache. Then delete any other large files he can spare.

The permanent fix is to upgrade to a larger disk. Compaq uses standard IDE drives. They helped set the standard originally. I added a "new" IDE disk drive to a Portable II once... The drive manufacturers supply software to copy the old disk to the new one. Get a drive that includes that software and a cable. To simplify matters make certain the new drive is smaller than 8GB.

cnet.com price search shows Seagate 6.4 GB drives for just over $100.00.

Bob Wakefield

Actually for a bit more than $100 you can get 20 gigabyte Western Digital drives, or 13 gigabyte Seagate.  I prefer the Seagate. Also, ifyou go with Wester Digital, do not believe you will get any rebate no matter what the rebate offer. They have rules within rules, and people whose sole job apparently is to discourage you from trying. In my case the rebates weren't allowed because the date on the Fry's receipt wasn't "legible".  All I would have to do would be to go get another copy of the receipt. And a couple of other "minor" matters. For $60, two rebates on two drives, the time they wanted me to put in wasn't worth it. In future I figure Western Digital, whose drives some including Thompson have reported reliability problems anyway, will cost the in-store price, and the rebates are a come-n. Your mileage may vary.

But I agree that installing a larger drive would a good way toward solving his problem.

Then we have this advice:

For the person with AOL 5.0 woes:

It was discovered very shortly after AOL 5.0 was release that it does some really nasty things to ones computer. Among the nastiest is the requirement to completely delete Windows to get rid of it! It also will not successfully cohabitate with other Internet/network connections.

Doug Charette n6ayw@arrl.net

I believe I have heard similar accounts. There is however AOL 6 now that is said to take care of those problems. Whether it will install as an upgrade to 5 I don't know. I suppose I ought to get a machine with an AOL account just to be able to do those silly things, but I am not keen to.


To: Jerry Pournelle From: Chris Morton Subj: Celerons for NT Servers

Dear Dr. Pournelle:

I have to disagree with you regarding the use of Celeron processors in small to moderate sized servers.

Our office server is a homebuilt machine with a Celeron 500 in an Elite Group P6BAT-A+ motherboard. With 384meg. and two 15gig. harddrives (not mirrored) it runs NT Back Office Server 4.5 just fine. It's the only server on the network, handling file and printing duties as well as hosting Exchange Server 5.5. It's the PDC for almost twenty PCs.

The only problem we've had with it was reboots caused when a user accessed an MS Access database on the server using a Visual Basic program he was developing on his workstation. After upgrading the BIOS firmware and installing the DMA disk driver downloaded from Elite Group's website, the rebooting problem has gone away completely. Performance is perfectly acceptable.

Certainly I wouldn't recommend a Celeron 500 for an enterprise server at British Petroleum/Amoco, but for a network the size of yours or ours, it's a highly attractive alternative, especially if you're reluctant to use non-Intel processors.

Chris Morton Rocky River, OH

I expect you are right, and our problem with that one was something else; all I know is that we had real installation problems getting that machine to take Terminal Server although it worked just fine with NT 4 as a backup domain server.

I think in future I will stay with somewhat faster chips for servers, but I expect you are right.

And along those lines:

subject: Intel's "negative margin" 

from: Greg Goss 

Intel charges a hefty surcharge for their quality reputation. A few years back when I was consulting for a living, I would suggest customers choose AMD or Intel and avoid the lower chips. At that time they always chose Intel.

Now, in the face of disastrous recalls, the extra month of sales that they let happen while they ignored Tom Pabst's reports of flakiness in the 1.13 GHz version before that recall, the leaks of the whole RAMBUS affair have got to hurt the company. One phrase leapt out of the Electronics News report. A dismissive "It's not the first time we've shipped devices with negative margin." in reply to an engineer predicting problems. This company seems to have completely forgotten the FDIV affair that they promised to learn from. (How many processor companies make it onto Letterman's "Top 9.998 list of reasons to use an Intel 486 processor").

Companies bet on negative margins all the time. But they do it on the consumer products where you sell on price, not the upscale products. The Commodore 64 was reputed to have negative timing margins several places in its design, one of which led to the infamous blue-on-blue screen that masked video problems. And the 64 was a winner. But it was being sold on price, not quality. (and the disk drive was a failure. The timing problems there had a tendency to erase data).

If Intel gets the reputation of sweeping problems under the rug, they will have to compete on price, instead of quality. There are a few problems in the AMD lineup, but they are nothing like the Intel fiascos. Now that someone other than Intel has held the quality star for more than a year, momentum begins to lag. The leader can lag for a while. But not forever. Eventually the leader ... isn't.

"It's not the first time we've shipped devices with negative margin." 486 FDIV anyone? If you lose the reputation for quality, it is often impossible to EVER get it back. I drive a Suzuki with a Chev name on it. I refuse to buy a real Chev. Because they ignored quality for a very long time and never convinced me that they had started caring again. This is where Intel is heading.

Intel has had its moments of arrogance before and will again. And my AMD 700 works like a charm. The major heat problems don't come from the AMD chip but from the Voodoo and nVidia graphics boards, and those are solved with some creative fan work. Roland is still not convinced about AMD and insists on Intel as one less damn thing to worry about, and I tend to share that sentiment, but I have to say that my experience with the Athlon series has been good.


subject: Heros of gender 

From Greg Goss ( mailto:gossg@mindlink.com )

I am surprised that I didn't see it mentioned in the press anywhere. The names list provided on the "vet" memorial page you linked to shows that two of the fallen were women.

Were these the first women active duty personnel to die in an act of war in the US? (Or even in the modern western democracies?)

Don't know about US Army, but certainly these were the first female sailers to be killed in action in the history of the US Navy, and some reports mentioned that at the time.

Israel lost a number of women soldiers in the various Foundation wars. Israel now doesn't assign women to combat units due to some negative experiences in their wars. (The effect on the men was devastating.)

Roland sends this:

DIA Analyst resigned over ignored warnings:

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/25/cole.hearing/index.html 

and related:

http://www.drudgereport.com/gertz.htm 


have you seen this?

"More guns equals less crime."

http://www.sierratimes.com/arlp102400.htm  

SWB

This is from the Libertarian Party, and while I have no reason to distrust the source, I am not sure the shouting is justified.

I have heard the numbers before, and while I think this puts it too baldly, the notion of an armed citizenry and self-government as a primary means of protection isn't very new. Our problem in this country (and in England) is political correctness. We don't report what is really happening in crime.

Incidentally the highest crime rates in the nation are among Urban Blacks, and is generally black on black crime. Whether it is a coincidence that the lowest rate of gun ownership in the US is among Urban Blacks I do not know. Rural Blacks are armed and the crime rate in rural black areas is not a lot higher than in rural white areas, for what that is worth. 

And I suspect the highest rate of gun ownership in the world is Switzerland where most households and shops have not merely weapons but military assault weapons (real ones, not just 'ugly guns') readily available. The correlation between crime and an armed citizenry is pretty clear. But if you focus entirely on the negative effects of gun ownership in a population -- there certainly are some -- and never report the positive, the result will be pretty predictable in a democracy.

But then Democracy is almost never healthy for Democracy: that is, democracies seldom vote for policies that maintain and preserve democracy as an institution. Republics sometimes do, but the ancients all thought they would degenerate into democracy, which was considered in classical times a degenerate and evil form of government (as opposed to a Republic).  So it looks to be with us, but why be surprised that the Cycles prevail? They always have.


Telenko sends this:

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE OCT 17, 2000 20:03:41 ET XXXXX

STATE DEPT MEMO: DEATH OF US SAILORS DOES NOT COMPARE TO PALESTINIAN TOLL

The United States State Department believes the "17 or so dead sailors" on

the U.S.S. Cole "does not compare to the 100+ Palestinians who have died in

recent weeks" in Mideast violence,

a stunning government memo reveals.

MORE

The Clinton/Gore Administration disapproved a VOICE OF AMERICA broadcast

condemning the attack on the Cole. A memo from the Executive Secretariat

Staff at the State Department stated:

The Department of State does not clear on the referenced VOA editorial.

There is more, see the Drudge Report. Krystal and the Weekly Standard are carrying the same story.


Hi Jerry,

Don't forget to put into your column what speed options you had for your DSL

From my personal experiences:

DSL Warning 1: PPPOE (or PPOE, whatever they call it :) ) can be sneaky so make sure the Netwinder has the right version. A lot of the current firewall appliances haven't gotten this right until the last six months and each of the different types of DSL can have their own flavors and problems.

DSL Warning 2: If you put a phone, or any other device, on the same hunk of copper the DSL is on without a filter your DSL will probably drop.

See http://www.practicallynetworked.com/  for lots of interesting stuff.

Paul

I am putting DSL on the more or less dedicated line I use for the 56K modem access.

I expect Roland will be able to do what's needed with the Netwinder and if not Rebel will be. It's too important to them. And if worse came to worse I will simply put a Celeron system on as the firewall/communications server.


Whoever wrote that you have to "completely delete Windows" to get rid of aol 5 was wrong. I've cleared it off a large number of Earthlink member's machines. Granted, just uninstalling it isn't enough, but it can be done. Alas, I can't include the procedure, and I doubt your readers want to see it anyway. Best, of course, is not installing it in the first place.

Joe Zeff

Thanks. For those who don't know, Joe is a tech support wizard.

 

 

 

 

 

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For the record I have about a hundred letters on this. Here are some  good ones for sources:

I'm sure you've already heard this from thousands of other people, but Microsoft has been cracked, apparently by means of your old 'friend' the QAZ worm. It's in nearly all of the news sources about now.

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-3308084.html  http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/10/27/technology/microsoft/  http://news.excite.com/news/ap/001027/01/microsoft-hackers  http://www.msnbc.com/news/481927.asp  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993826.stm  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/10/27/1147248&;mode=thread 

-- F.I.W.

Chris Goodwin archer@nc.rr.com

Jerry: I'm sure you've read about the Microsoft breakin already. The link is to a Vaughn-Nichols opinion piece that I think is appropo. Perhaps now, MS will have to do something about the execrable security of their OS's.

 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20001027/tc/microsoft_can_t_spin_this_worm_1.html

Regards, Chris C.

 

I have sent a mailing to subscribers on this. I am sure we have not heard the least of it.

Dear Jerry,

Thanks to you, I immediately recognized the QAZ worm last week went I did some computer work for a friend's business.

Now the Linux box I installed there has one extra duty (in addition to dial-up, DNS, DHCP and Samba) - every night it compares the c:\Windows directory on every Windows computer with the directory from the previous night, and then saves the differences to a file which I can peruse or search (manually or via a script) to catch problems like that.

Thanks again, Jerry.

your obedient servant who keeps asking the question "will Mamelukes be out by Christmas?",

Calvin Dodge

Alas, no. It probably won't be written by then. Sigh.


Molon Labe

Great thread in an on-line forum tying together the Spartans at Thermopylae, to hoplophobic government and resistance thereto, to Texans versus the Mexicans, to Bastogne, to an account of US troops in Berlin at the time of the construction of the Wall. A nice little history lesson.

http://www.thefiringline.com/NonCGI/Forum13/HTML/009327.html 

Come and take them, indeed.

I note that very few so-called "evil assault weapons" have been turned in in Kalifornia.

Jim Riticher [jritiche@bellsouth.net]

I count my visit to the grave of the Three Hundred at Thermopylae one of the high points of my life. It is not easily found as it is not in the guide books, and for once there are no touts trying to get money by showing it to you. I followed a dusty goat trail up a low mound some distance from the huge statue of Leonidas that purports to mark the grave, and at the top of the hill there is a bronze plaque. I know enough Greek to recognize what it said: Stranger, go and tell the Spartans that we lie here in obedience to their laws. There was a fresh wildflower on the grave. I found another to put with it. I don't want to know anyone that experience won't get to.

When the Medizing Greeks tried to persuade the free Greeks that life wasn't so bad under the Great King, they had their answer. "You do not know freedom. If you had, you would advise us to fight not with the sword only, but the battleax." 

When the Persian King said to Leonidas "Give me your weapons and you will walk away unharmed," Leonidas answered "Come and take them."

But none of that is taught in our politically correct classes today. We not only do not know the names of the Three Hundred, our children do not know who they were, or why they fought. A republic that knows not those things will not endure.

 

 

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A serious matter to discuss, but first, regarding the QAZ virus which I warned subscribers about months ago:

Jerry,

Now I for one would think this would have been worth a $20 subscription to Bill Gates. ;-)

JH in Chicago

Yeah!

Dear Dr. P,

I thought I'd pass this along for you. I wrote it for a military journalist's edification but it might be of interest to others. I added definitions for the acronyms, since I noticed a complaint about that before.

FOGM (Fibre Optic Guided Missile). Since I was involved in the AH-64 Apache program, I can give you a bit of background on why the US Army didn't take FOGM in the late 70s. It was a correct decision then, given that the Army was designing to fight and win at 1-3 reverse odds. The concept of modifying the AGM-65 ( Army Ground Missile 65) TOW (Tube Launched Optically Tracked Wire Command Link Guided Missile) missile with fibre optic cable and a tv (television) seeker warhead was an Army MICOM (Missile Command) engineer's idea dating from 1975. The U.S. Army in fact invented the concept of FOGM. As an exercise in low cost creative thinking it was brilliant. Here's why Hellfire was chosen over FOGM in the 1970s.

a. Hellfire had a designed range of 18 kilometers, compared to FOGM's then and still current 10km. Since the Hellfire range was classified (public references only said "in excess of 3750 meters") outsiders were confused. They didn't know it was going to be 5 TIMES in excess. This range of course put the AH-64 (Attack Helicopter 64) Apache well outside the current and 20 year projected Soviet SHORAD (Short Range Air Defense) umbrella. You know the 'upsided down wedding cake' model for ADA (Air Defense Artillery) coverage.

b. Hellfire, as a LOS (line of sight) laser designated weapon had a guidance package about the same price as the FOGM TV (television) package promised. But FOGM has to carry all its optics with it, and they're destroyed with each round. Apache carried all the computers, thermal sights (very expensive and still large back n the 1970s), IR etc with it in its TAADS package (Target Acquisition And Designation System). FOG-M therefore would only be a daylight VFR (Visual Flight Rules) weapon with about 60% of Hellfire's range. FOGM accuracy didn't promise to be nearly as good, either. The TAADS is stabilized in 2 axes. In the 1970s the computer technology simply didn't exist to enhance the returned FOGM picture back and stabilize it. TV guided bombs are released at targets known to exist and whose location is well fixed. FOGM has to acquire its targets during its cruise, and the cruise time is limited.

The vast advances in computer technology since the 1970s have resolved most of this problem, of course. Advances in optics technology have improved the raw picture, reduced the seeker package price and increased the night/low visibility capabilities.

c. FOGM is an indirect fire weapon and therefore ground mounted. The shorter range FOG-M package rolling on wheels simply wouldn't give division and corps commanders the capability to RAPIDLY mass decisive anti-tank fires at the criticial point, at least not like the AH-64 Apache . The whole AH-64 organization stays outside the range of enemy artillery. Apache rearms/refuels outside enemy artillery and quickly shuttles in. Although we pushed AH-64 battalions down to division, this organization was subject to detachment by the Corps commander at a moment's notice. With two divisions' AH-64 battalions, plus three more at Corps level, the Corps commander had the theoretical capability to mass 5 x 18 = 90 Apaches x 16 Hellfires = 1,440 Hellfires at a threatened breakthrough.

Casualties and serviceability rates would reduce this optimal number, but there in a nutshell is how Generals Meyer &; Starry planned to DESTROY (not 'attrit', 'delay', or 'stop') an invading Warsaw Pact force. FOGM then and even now doesn't promise that kind of battlefield decisiveness. General Meyer was not kidding when he told Congress in 1980 that if they cancelled the Apache he would have to redesign the entire U.S. Army.

There was never any chance of massing shorter range, less accurate FOGMs on wheels that way. Apache could redeploy in 30 minutes. FOGM might make it in half a day, depending on the condition of the lateral road network.

The deeper FOGM wants to penetrate the closer it has to come to the enemy's forward elements, meaning it becomes vulnerable to artillery, unless you put it inside a track.

d. Threat analysis revealed that there was one signficant threat to the AH-64 before 2000, and it's what you mentioned: >>Even attack helicopters would stay clear of areas where EFOG-Ms were reported, since EFOGMs can be used against them.<<

We realized that in 1977. And when that datum fell out of analysis, it was the end of FOGM for that generation. General E.C. "Shy" Meyer, then Chief of Staff, crushed the FOGM boomlet personally. Why should we do the Soviet's development for them? It took the GRU (Soviet Military Intelligence) almost no time to get the blueprints for most of the AH-64 itself. Only way to keep them from getting FOG-M was to not build it, even as an R&;D (Research and Development) project. I was told Meyer had said he would personally end the career of anyone, military or civil service, who spent one more penny or said one more word about FOGM. It was another example of the aluminum strip 'window' radar jamming story from World War II. Discussion, comment and criticism continued in thinking circles outside. But it was impossible for anyone in possession of the facts to educate the well meaning outsiders without educating the non-well meaning Soviets, too.

e. FOGM is still not much of a threat since the Hellfire ranges have gone up and now the Longbow Apache has appeared. The reason the Army is buying FOGM now is mostly for its anti-helicopter potential. Gunships still have to close in to use guns or dumb rockets. FOGM remains a second best weapon compared to Hellfire for anti-tank or other hi-value ground targets. The problems of rapid lateral massing also still remain.

The place where we're really missing out is SMALLER FOG-M's for the infantry. The trick that was done with the TOW could also be done with a much smaller rocket about the size of the old M-72A2 LAW (Light Anti-Tank Weapon). Small FOGMs will displace mortars from the TOE (Table of Organization and Equipment). Cheap rockets with cameras, fibre optic cables and parachutes will be an excellent tactical intelligence tool for light infantry companies and platoons. A computer mounted on a track, HMMWV (High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle) or even an ATV (All Terrain Vehicle) could rapidly process the imagery, giving platoon thru battalion commanders real time on-call aerial reconnaissance and first cut imagery analysis.

Mark  Gallmeier [enigma @ gate.net]

Thank you. There's enough there that I should take some time before commenting.

A brief history of wire guided missiles:

Since this might spark another round of debate, here's some useful background.

The idea of wire and radio guided anti-tank missiles originated in the German Wehrmacht about 1943. After the war both the French (HOT radio guided missile) and the Soviets (ATs 1-3 with radio and wire guidance) developed this idea this further for infantry use.

The continuing problem was that the gunner's human brain had to simultaneously solve two equations to hit the target. First, he had to acquire and track the target visually. Second, he had to visually track and fly the missile into it, all under the stress of combat. Even training range effectiveness with trained gunners never rose higher than 25% or so. The U.S. Army bought some HOTs in the 1960s but the huge training requirement was a no-go for a draftee army. There were further experiments with helicopter mountings but accuracy remained a problem. US Army MICOM recognized that the gunner was simply overtasked.

Enter the micro-processor. The TOW, the DRAGON and the Hellfire all used the same target acquisition and guidance design scheme. The human tracks the target. The computer tracks and flys the missile and so reduces the deviation between the point of aim and the missile flight path to zero. This design principle both reduced performance requirements on the combat stressed human and simultaneously gave one task to a much more efficient 'brain'. First round kill probabilities soared. This was all under development in the late 1960s. The TOW got its first battle test at An Loc, Vietnam in 1972. Two UH-1 Huey helicopters armed with TOWs almost by themselves stopped a couple of NVA armored divisions. They racked up over 100 kills.

The came the Yom Kippur War of 1973 with the emergency airlift of TOWs to Israel and more successes. The shake 'n bake Israelis weren't nearly as successful as the airborne MICOM pros at An Loc, but that fact that soldiers succeeded with just 3 days' training was indicative itself. There was now no doubt MICOM was on the right path.

FOGM appeared exactly when the new design principle had those two huge battlefield successes behind it, and with Hellfire hotfoot on the way. FOGM offered the prospect of long range engagement, true. So long range that there no real prospect of acquiring the target before launch. Harrasing and interdiction (H&;I) fires are an established artillery tactic, at least before effective counter-battery. H&;I with PGMs (precision guided munitions) are not well known. From the Army's viewpoint FOGM in its 1970s form also represented a partial regression into the problem just solved, gunner combat task overloading from both acquiring a target and flying the missile.

 

 


And now:

Hello, Jerry,

Normally, I'd read one of your columns, look for some information relevant to me, and move on. This column, however, bothered me so much I felt obligated to write you.

Chaos Manor has long shown itself to be a Microsoft shop. Oh, yes, there's always a nice attempt to try to make it seem like you're honestly checking out the alternatives, but, of course, they're always the mainstream alternatives, and you pretty much dismiss those alternatives because they're not Microsoft, or just mention them in passing without discussing them in detail. Linux, for example, gets mentioned often, but you neither compare distributions nor mention BSD; instead you seem to focus upon only what's most popular. There's more to free Unixes than Red Hat.

This week, you summarise Windows 2K by saying, "The bottom line here is that Windows 2000 Server is the right OS for small offices with a few to a hundred workstations." Now, that's all fine and dandy, but I seriously doubt that you or Byte Magazine pay for all of the licenses for all of the clients that might ever simultaneously connect to that server. If you did, you might not recommend it so readily.

But I can overlook that. Magazines (at least American magazines) are always testing and writing about the latest multi-thousand dollar toys, mostly because you can. Hell, I'd play with those toys, too, if someone sent them to me.

What I really take exception to, however, is your assertion that "A Celeron Does Not a Server Make." To suggest that a Celeron in a server is false economy would not raise too many complaints (although I'd say this is much more true of Windows servers as compared to Unix servers), but when you suggested that "It's only when we tried to install Terminal Server that we ran up against the Celeron's limitations", you really crossed the line.

You're not a group of kids playing with expensive toys as a hobby. Thousands of people read your articles and use the information contained within to make decisions; you shouldn't be so irresponsible. Without any effort at figuring out what was really going on, you suggest first that there might have been a problem with the onboard ethernet (not specifically blaming Microsoft here), then suggesting that you've run up "against the Celeron's limitations", as if processor speed and cache determine it's ability to run a particular application.

There are two things wrong with this scenario: one, if an ethernet controller works fine under the basic OS but fails to run with some added software, there is a fundamental flaw in that software. If the added software tries to talk with the hardware directly (which would be the only reasonable excuse for not working properly), this either admits that the added software is poorly written or that the OS's drivers and APIs were deficient.

Two, if software will not run because the processor has reached it's "limitations", then, again, the software is flawed. How is it possible that software might be designed to not run at all on a particular processor? How can you, who supposedly works with computers for a living, be so neglectful in your column? That is something that a naive user might say, or an IT person who is trying to snow a non technical person, or, (oh, my!) a salesperson!

It certainly should not be something we should hear from you.

A server, to clarify, is something that serves. My server is a mere 66 mhz 68060 Amiga running NetBSD, but it more than adequately serves my 50 users and 60 domains. I guess it's a good thing it's not a Celeron.

John Klos sixgirls.org Systems Administrator -- "... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs." -- Robert Firth

First, I will correct the mistaken impression I may have left in an upcoming column. In the one that is up I did in fact point out that the reason we could not install Terminal Server may have had to do with the networking card, but there were other problems as well. 

However. let me say this much: anyone who contemplates setting up Terminal Server and Citrix is going to spend a fair amount for licenses; that's clear from the column and will certainly be clear the moment it's tried. I believe this is an interesting solution to certain problems, but it's not the cheap way to go; indeed it's costly enough that the difference between using a Celeron and a Pentium III for the server is going to be trivial in comparison, and in fact for those contemplating professional installations I would strongly advise an investment in a system designed to BE a server. Compaq makes some good ones. 

Next, if you can manage to take care of 50 users and 60 domains with an elderly Amiga, that's interesting, but I am glad I am not one of your customers. Glorying in not being Microsoft and Intel is fine and dandy, and there is an old tradition of making do with what you have, but that's for oneself. I do it all the time. But I generally see that my wife has a system that's pretty standard, easily maintained, and easily replaced; and she's the only user other than me for my systems. Perhaps it's an achievement to serve 50 users and 60 domains with a 66 MHz Amiga, and you are to be congratulated for being able to do it, but to repeat, I am glad I have no critical dependence on being one of your customers.

But your main point about this being a Microsoft House has some merit. That's not entirely by choice; and indeed the CITRIX article, and my interest in CITRIX and Terminal Server has been to come to practical uses for my readership of alternatives to Microsoft, if only to stimulate competition -- but the recent demonstrations of vulnerability to intrusion make it even more important.

The problem is that Microsoft Applications work. They work well. They're not all I would like them to be -- Outlook periodically goes off on it's own to do things I don't understand, as we'll see in an upcoming letter from Dr. Hume -- but they do work. Unfortunately all the various office suites for Linux DON'T work very well. And I have tried them all. I have written about them in great excitement when I got them. Then I didn't write any more. It's not because I didn't try them, it is because I will not recommend something I won't use, and frankly I cannot do my work with any of those. I only wish I could. Corel's Word Perfect as a word processor isn't bad, but the entire office suite just doesn't do it for me, and I don't think it will for most readers. Office 2000 has its faults but it does the job.

The CITRIX article was a venture into ways to get Microsoft applications utility without being dependent -- at least in your work stations and in some server operations -- on Microsoft operating systems. Yes, it will require that you have Microsoft Terminal Server running, but the work stations can be running Linux or any reasonable *NIX, and I thought that was interesting and exciting.

The header on the article should have been "A CELERON DOES NOT A TERMINAL SERVER MAKE" which remains true: at least we were unable to make that happen, and on reflection I am not sure I would want to; if I did have an establishment with 20 users running Office from a Terminal Server setup, I am pretty sure I'd want a lot more beef than a Celeron. Do note, though, that the article itself said that the same machine had been functioning quite well as an NT4 Backup Domain Server, and had given no problems in that role.

Your conclusion that because we were unable to install NT Terminal Server on that Celeron shows a fundamental flaw in NT Terminal Server software is your conclusion. I do not think you will find that it is universal. Not all software has all drivers, nor needs to. We didn't try installing Windows 2000 and then the Terminal Server additions on that machine; it probably would have worked, but we decided to test out the NT 4 version for that article. 

You may or may not recall that a year or so ago Linux was pretty particular about which chip set LAN cards used. That has probably changed since then as new driver software was added.

We might have been able to kludge up a way to make that Celeron with its DLINK Ethernet card run NT Terminal Server, or Windows 2000 Terminal Server, but I don't have infinite time, nor does Roland who was showing me how to do this, and I would assume that anyone contemplating buying those licenses and installing this software would count his time worth something too; and the difference in cost between a Celeron and a bit heftier Pentium III machine is less than an hour's time of a good man...

In other words, we report what we did, and report it in some detail. Your major quarrel seems to be with a header supplied by the editors, and the fact that I didn't make them change it. You're right: the header was misleading. It ought to have said "does not a Terminal Server Make" and perhaps I should have been clearer in saying "your mileage may vary". But why that is so upsetting to you is a bit of a mystery.

And I would say that a server is something that serves reliably. One of my servers is an ancient Pentium I system with a Micropolis AV SCSI 1 hard drive. It holds a bunch of utilities and games and such like that I haven't taken the trouble to transfer to more modern equipment. But I sure wouldn't keep anything mission critical on Spirit despite my fondness for the old lady (built in the PC Power and Cooling case that originally contained BIG CHEETAH, a machine I had extraordinary regard for -- but which I retired along with my Amiga when both Cheetah and Commodore disappeared from view). And I used to report on Amiga based networks including at the Stanford Linear Accelerator. But that was long ago.

Thank you for your comments.


ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE DEBATES

Jerry,

I consider myself very open minded about "alternative medicines" and have spend a considerable amount of time researching those medicines used in my area of medicine, cardiology (although this sentence makes me sound like a humorless jerk!). I consider it important that I have an excellent understanding of what my patients use and why. I've had discussions with a number of naturopathic physicians and have attended naturopathic conferences. I routinely ask my patients who see alternative physicians to request literature from those physicians and routinely review such literature. After those discussions and review of such literature, I've been appalled by the absence of application of the scientific method and lack of evidence for the use of such substances. Understand, that isn't a statement about the efficacy of such substances, which in many cases hasn't been tested. Although, far more of these agents have been tested than the general public appreciates. In my view, this is an incredibly important subject. Given the respect you have earned from your readership over the years, I offer the following for your review. This is one of the more important editorials recently published in medicine. Again, I can supply the original article, in addition to the editorial, for your review. Again, I've stripped out the html links. Finally, I'll note that there are many letters to the editor in response. Many in support, some in opposition.

(Mark Huth, MD)

Owned, published, and (c) copyrighted, 1998, by the MASSACHUSETTS MEDICAL SOCIETY

Volume 339(12) 17 September 1998 pp 839-841

Alternative Medicine - The Risks of Untested and Unregulated Remedies [Editorials]

Angell, Marcia; Kassirer, Jerome P.

What is there about alternative medicine that sets it apart from ordinary medicine? The term refers to a remarkably heterogeneous group of theories and practices - as disparate as homeopathy, therapeutic touch, imagery, and herbal medicine. What unites them?

 

http://www.nejm.com/content/1998/0339/0012/0839.asp 

Thanks. I'll wait for people to have a chance to read the entire editorial before I have much to say. Right now I am collecting data...

First from Dr. Ed Hume:

Jerry

I read Marcia Angell's editorial ( http://www.nejm.com/content/1998/0339/0012/0839.asp  ). She wrote it with Jerome Kassirer, her predecessor as NEJM editor. One early quote caught my eye:

"What most sets alternative medicine apart, in our view, is that it has not been scientifically tested and its advocates largely deny the need for such testing. By testing, we mean the marshaling of rigorous evidence of safety and efficacy, as required by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the approval of drugs and by the best peer-reviewed medical journals for the publication of research reports."

In 1999 I spent four months practicing psychiatry in New Zealand. Lovely place. Nice people. Also, a great way to dodge winter, and the International date Line ate my 50th birthday (maybe I won't age now).

In New Zealand people use more alternative medicine than here. Perhaps it is because modern care is rationed. There is some ointment called Arnica that really does soothe hurts (we brought some home and use it). Manuca honey, when applied to nonhealing sores, does seem to cure them. On the other hand, regular honey might do the job as well, since sugar is used as a preservative. But while I was there I did see a few reports on double-blind studies (one involving animals) of the efficacy of a few homeopathic remedies. Now homeopathy ought not work: the most powerful "dose" involve dilutions so great that there is less than one molecule per dose (!). Yet these double blind studies were positive.

I know a nurse who used to work as an assistant for a veterinarian. She described to me how the vet used acupuncture in doing general (read open abdomen) surgery on animals. When the animal started to twitch, he would twist a needle or two. Yes, I know that some demonstrations of acupuncture used in surgery in China were faked, but an eyewitness account of acupuncture in animals intrigued me. On the other hand, this is mere anecdote.

I have read double blind reports of the use of St Johns wort in patients with mild depression compared with barely therapeutic doses of imipramine. Both worked. On the other hand, I did not see placebo controls: in Europe researchers do not use placebo controls in studying conditions for which there are proven treatments. The problem with this is that placebo is an excellent drug for depression--at least for a month or two. So perhaps St Johns wort isn't so good. At any rate, my patients don't get much help from it.

Dr. Angell then went on: "Of course, many treatments used in conventional medicine have not been rigorously tested, either, but the scientific community generally acknowledges that this is a failing that needs to be remedied."

It's good that she said this, since back surgery, for one, has not been shown scientifically to be beneficial.

At another point she says: "Alternative medicine also distinguishes itself by an ideology that largely ignores biologic mechanisms, often disparages modern science, and relies on what are purported to be ancient practices and natural remedies (which are seen as somehow being simultaneously more potent and less toxic than conventional medicine). Accordingly, herbs or mixtures of herbs are considered superior to the active compounds isolated in the laboratory."

She's right about the ideology. Even patients who mix modern and alternative medicine have what appears to be a religious conviction that "natural" things work better than stuff from labs. On the other hand, preparations made from the whole plant rauwolfa serpentina are alleged by ahuravedic (sp?) practitioners to have properties altogether different from reserpine, which is simply the most striking compound isolated from the plant. There are some doctors who believe that desiccated whole thyroid produces results better than synthetic pure T-4. In fact, there is even a T-f/T-3 combination that seeks to mimic the proportions of hormones found in desiccated thyroid. And nobody is sure which chemical in St Johns wort helps depression, or even if a single chemical is responsible for the help it does provide in mild depression.

Foxglove became digitalis. Curare was used a long time in surgeries. Willow bark does contain salicylates which have the same effect as aspirin (the name salicylic acid derives from the Latin name for the willow). And we can get opiates from poppies. On the other hand, pure caffeine is better for you than American coffee, which--because it is filtered--is better for you than European coffees. Not everything in a plant is good for you. Your body is set up so that your liver is in a position to intercept toxins from plants that you might eat, for example.

Dr. Angell rightly extols the advances of modern medicine. In my field alone I have seen new medicines arrive that have improved the care I can deliver to patients a hundredfold (unfortunately, some of the advances are based on careful clinical trials with individual patients, since the psychiatric establishment has not caught the nomenclature up with what wise clinicians know). But, topping off a century of revolutionary progress, Dr, Angell notes:

"Now, with the increased interest in alternative medicine, we see a reversion to irrational approaches to medical practice, even while scientific medicine is making some of its most dramatic advances. Exploring the reasons for this paradox is outside the scope of this editorial, but it is probably in part a matter of disillusionment with the often hurried and impersonal care delivered by conventional physicians, as well as the harsh treatments that may be necessary for life-threatening diseases."

Amen to that.

She goes on to highlight a study in that issue of her journal showing harm that can come when one treats an ailment with an herb rather than getting known effective modern treatment. She then talks about how the poor FDA, which should be guarding us from quack cures and impure remedies, has been handcuffed by Congress.

Please, Dr. Angell. The FDA showed itself a poor steward. Let's take L-tryptophan, for example: studied and found effective; but the FDA wouldn't develop a regulatory scheme that would allow them to certify some of it as pharmacy grade. If they needed new authority from Congress, they had but to ask. Instead, an impurity cased an epidemic of a terrible allergic response. Then they banned it, as they had wanted to all along. Hundreds of people felled to prove a point and win a bureaucratic war. I knew people who worked there. Nice, well-meaning people, but rigid.

It's the same problem with melatonin today. Very important stuff, but you can't trust your supply. I wish the FDA provided a parallel track so we could at least be sure we are getting unadulterated melatonin and L-tryptophan. But they weren't developed by a drug company, you see.

Did you know that you can't get the FDA to approve a new use of an old med without spending big bucks for a study? Did you know that no one in our government does studies to find new uses, to put them up for the public good? If you find a use, it will have to be unscientific, "off-label" use.

In June 1999 Solvay Pharmaceuticals took the unheard-of step of paying for studies to get generic progesterone (the hormone your body makes) approved for use in menopause. Their money paid for a single dose size. Now, the FDA requires studies showing that every dose size is effective for some segment of the population, so Solvay is not allowed to make lower doses, even though a number of women need less. If you want a lower dose, send your prescription to Women's International Pharmacy in Madison, WI (Do it soon; the FDA is trying to put mail-order compounding pharmacies out of business).

Dr. Angell says: "Herbal remedies may also be sold without any knowledge of their mechanism of action." Guess what? That's true of practically everything sold as a medication. We only think we know how they work. Only one of aspirin's mechanisms has been figured out, for example, and that came in the mid-1990's. Dr. Angell concludes: "It is time for the scientific community to stop giving alternative medicine a free ride. There cannot be two kinds of medicine -- conventional and alternative. There is only medicine that has been adequately tested and medicine that has not, medicine that works and medicine that may or may not work. Once a treatment has been tested rigorously, it no longer matters whether it was considered alternative at the outset. If it is found to be reasonably safe and effective, it will be accepted. But assertions, speculation, and testimonials do not substitute for evidence. Alternative treatments should be subjected to scientific testing no less rigorous than that required for conventional treatments." This is fine, but as long as the government interferes and slants the table so that only the traditional drugmakers have a chance, alternative medicine will thrive. In the absence of appropriate FDA action, the herbal companies are working toward assembling a private agency that can be trusted in certifying products as pure. Will we ever trust it? Who knows?

You may have noted my excessive use of "on the other hand." This is one of those complicated topics.

At bottom, I think that wherever you have a tyranny, or even a monopoly, people will vote with their feet and their pocketbooks. This explains why people fled from communism, and why people pay for snake oil.

Ed Hume

www.pshrink.com

You are kinder to most of those nice well-meaning people at FDA than I would be, and than I will be when Larry and I do the next INFERNO. Control freaks who want to mind other people's business rather than their own is closer to the mark.

Me, were I in charge, I would let the FDA do its testing and let them label stuff. Then those who want to sell unapproved remedies should be required to mark it plainly. THIS PRODUCT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE FDA.  Or. THIS PRODUCT IS NOT CERTIFIED AS SAFE BY THE FDA. Or. THE FDA HAS REASON TO BELIEVE THIS PRODUCT IS NOT MERELY INEFFECTIVE BUT WILL GIVE YOU HIVES, CHILBLAINS, AND BAD BREATH.  And so forth.

But I would require truthful labeling. If the bottle says "Made from the freshest of snake biles" then the stuff must contain fresh snake biles. If it says snake oil then it has to BE snake oil and not mineral oil. Make sure people know what they are buying.

Then assume that each person is the best judge of his or her own interest. But that's my view of a Republic. Empires and aristocracies have different views, and have people whose job it is to look out for what they think are the interests of subjects who can't figure it out for themselves, and won't ask for advice.

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Sunday, October 29, 2000

We continue the Alternative Medicine Discussion

Dr Hume,

I like much of what you've written to Jerry Pournelle and wanted to post a follow up.

I think the crux of your discussion that Jerry has posted is that you don't like the FDA. I'd agree, but I'm hard pressed to invent a system that works much better.

I feel very strongly that the alternative medicine industry has to be reined in a bit. I've got patients taking stuff that clearly is bad for them. Patients with artificial valves on coumadin and gingko and St. John's Wort. That makes adjustment of anti-coagulation very difficult. Patients with bradycardias taking substances with digitalis, without knowing the harm that can do to them. Patients with severe heart failure taking CoQ10 made offshore with no regulation of contents that anyone can trust and naturopathic physicians insisting that the conventional medications I use will do patients more harm than good, despite reams of data which says that CoQ10 doesn't work and conventional medications do work.

As to your discussions about desiccated thyroid, I can't find any studies that show that desiccated thyroid works better than pure T4. Indeed, I can find numerous studies that suggest the opposite. Of course, that doesn't settle the issue, but science is better than the alternative and not all science is run by the FDA. Indeed, as an aside, I've been told that the number of published studies which come from outside the US is now close to the number that come from inside the US.

Now I'd agree that it is your body and you can put into it anything you want, but you need to know what you are putting into it and, in my view, you ought to understand something about the potential interactions. Someone who is knowledgeable needs to help with that. I don't treat psychiatric illness, I refer my patients. I presume you do the same with your cardiac patients. We both need accurate information and years of experience to treat. I need someone to regulate what goes into the medicine bottle.

In my experience, many of the heaviest users of alternative therapy are the least educated and most vulnerable members of society. I accept Jerry's argument of a Republic, I am not sure how, as a republic, we discharge our responsibility to our fellows.

Mark

mhuth@coldswim.com I'd still love to get into space someday.

While I have some sympathy for those who don't know how to take care of themselves, closing options for those who do doesn't seem like the best way -- and in any event is doom to the whole notion of a Republic.

In Beyond This Horizon Robert Heinlein postulated a society divided by hereditary factors into "normal controls" and a majority who were considerably more able. The "normals" were under tutelage. The rest were in a free society (one run by the principles of Social Credit, but that was a gimmick) and fought duels. "An Armed Society is a Polite Society."  Now that carried the notion of a free citizenry to an extreme that few would approve, and I am not advocating adoption of any such thing; the point is that it is one of the few stories to address the problem of a society with genetically inferior citizens.

If we do not assume that all citizens are capable of being the best judges of their own interests, how do we determine who is not? And once we determine that, what is the status of those who are declared incapable?

Or is the notion that if all cannot be adults, then all must be kept in tutelage? But in that case, who shall be our masters, and how shall those be chosen?

These are not trivial matters.

 

 

Glad to hear you are well on the way to finishing a new novel. There is so little modern fiction (science or otherwise) that I find interesting that I eagerly await anything you have to publish. Please hurry! In the meantime, I re-read some of my large collection of "real science fiction" books that I have stored in the attic. These include everything I have been able to find by Heinlein, Asimov, and Pournelle as well as a lot of Clark, van V(?), Bradbury, and others from the golden age.

I recently received Robert A. Heinlein, A Reader's Companion and it got me to re-reading my collection of Heinlein books. (Nothing else to read.) Just last night, I began reading The Man Who Sold The Moon for the umpteenth time and found something that actually happened to me that might interest you.

In the second paragraph, George Stone says "Maybe someday men will get to the moon, though I doubt it. In any case, you and I will never live to see it."

In January, 1953, I was a student at Virginia Polytechnic Institute taking a course in Public Speaking. One of my speeches was titled One Thousand Miles Up and was on manned space flight and orbiting space stations. At the end of my speech, my instructor said "Very interesting Mr Anderson, but I am afraid we will never live to see it."

A few months later I was accepted for pilot training as an Aviation Cadet and left college. After completing my tour of duty, I took a job as a technical writer writing Pilot's Handbooks for McDonnell Aircraft. After a couple of years, I realized that it was necessary for me to complete my degree in Aerospace Engineering if I wish to continue in my chosen profession and returned to college in September, 1960. The last manual I wrote before returning to college was the Astronaut's Handbook for Project Mercury.

Upon returning to college, I looked up my professor from the Public Speaking class and ask him if he remembered his comments on my speech. He just laughed and said no but that's what he would have said in 1953.

One of my most prized possessions is the proof copy of the Astronaut's Handbook autographed by Alan Shepard.

Chuck Anderson

I always knew I would live to see the first man on the moon. I never thought I would live to see the last one.

Jerry:

I know you were diluged with "unsolicited endorsements" for several online vendors. One of the published letters mentioned JNCS, a company with home I have done business on several occasions. They are not the cheapest (but they are cheap), but they are absolutely reliable. I can recommend them without hesitation. The staff knows what it is doing, when they check inventory they REALLY check, and they have things for sale that they will give a "not recommended" on, based on buyer feedback on their own tests. In other words, sometimes they'll tell you not to buy something they have, even if it is a relatively high end product. I love these guys.

Good luck with the tccomputers guys.

Bryan Broyles

Across the pale parabola of joy...Ralston McTodd

Thanks. For the record, I have a Slocket sent by a reader. I have yet to get one from TCCOMPUTERS.COM

 

 

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