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Monday, February 22, 1999>>"Apparently US Robotics no longer distinguishes between "Courier" and "Sportster" models; at least there's no sign of either designation on this one. "When 3Com took over USR, the Sportster name was dropped. The Courier line still exists; I just received one from 3Com for a project Im working on. Its very different physically, thinner but wider and much deeper (something like 8-10 inches!), and all black. The packaging also refers to this as the Corporate modem, because of some management features, including the ability to set it to automatically redial a broken connection. -- Russ Russell Kay [Russell_Kay@cw.com]
Thanks. The new USR externals we bought from Fry's are white, and look like the old Sportster, but have no designation of Courier or Sportster. I suspect these were intermediate models that Fry's was selling at blowout prices to clear the inventory. Roberta's works, both at V.90 and also as a 1200 Baud to connect to the credit card clearing people; not all modems can be initialized so that Cybercash can recognize them instantly, and Cybercash hangs up rather than tries to negotiate. I have used USR Modems for about 15 years, and until the white Sporster line all USR Externals were black, about 2" thick, 9 " deep, and 6" wide (I'm guessing; I have some in the next room, but it's not really important to go measure) and had the equivalent of a manual printed on the bottom. They worked; I could get a lock on to a line in DC hotels on Capitol Hill when no other modem known to man would overcome the noisy lines in those hotels. Of course that was in the DOS days when we fought to get connections to BIX I was reading a short note inyour day book about Netscape not loading a Microsoft web page (under www.microsoft.com/somthingorother) Has anyone noticed that when you load the hotmail page (www.hotmail.com) with Internet Explorer, and you enter your login and password (pressing tab once to get to the next field), you can press Enter/Return forthwithly to get it processed. If you do the same thing from within Netscape, you have to press tab once again then Enter/Return. Only an extra keystroke, but still... tis the principle of the thang. COuld the fact the MS owns Hotmail have anything to do with the fact that it is nominally easier to get things done with Explorer as compared to Netscape? Regards... Ted CTS Lab Instructor ["thburacas"@fairview99@hotmail.com] No data, but that's interesting. Dr. Pournelle, On 2/22/99 you published: "I confess I am weary of the INTERNET. This morning nothing was happening at all. I logged off. I shut down the system and started over. I logged on to Earthlink.net and tried ping. Nothing." After spending the last 17 years building, programming, networking and repairing computers as a hobby and as work, I have taken up painting with acrylics and writing fiction as hobbies. I write with a pen. I go outside more, and I take pictures using real film. I get the wind in my face. I look at stars. I check my e-mail only once a day. I dont update my web site much. I am concerned about what the web has done to my ability to read for effect. I feel like I am trying to recover something.
No comment.... === Glad to hear about the possible changes, thought I would drop a line about a good enough combo to think about. I just finished a new machine (named Falkenberg) a retail 300a celeron O/C to 450 on an Abit BH6 board w/ a Mylex BT 950 running a IBM UW2 9ES 4.5 gb drive in a PC Power &; cooling case over Granite Digital cabling. The cabling is almost as expensive as the drive, Ive got less than 800 USD all up in the beast and it runs right with any 450 mhz PII tests Ive seen reported on Winstone 99 and Winbench 99. It came up and ran 450 with no tweaking straight out of the box! I only wish I had waited a few weeks and bought a set of the new 370 PPGA riser boards and chips and made up a dual machine, as it seems Intel forgot to make drilling the chip a requirement to bypass the dual processor block on the PPGA celerons. see cpu-central.com for info. Anyway, good luck on the new setup. Richard Sherburne Jr. Now that sounds like one great system. I'm building up a P II to test against my overclocked Celerons. Intel of course is trying to discourage all this over clocking, and I have to say, if you're doing mission critical, don't DO that... but it sure is fun.
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Tuesday, February 23, 1999
Thats default IE4+ behavior even on non-MS sites. I dont have Netscape to compare against, because its always crashed on my computers under W9x (from Navigator 2.0 on).Try ZDNet mail, among others. Sometimes people are too ready to accuse Microsoft of unethical behavior when its really the competitions less-friendly design choices. This behavior is actually consistent with Windows (all flavors) response, so theyre being consistent whether you may consider it desirable behavior or not. Jon
Zach Smith [matrxweb@hotmail.com] TO: LouComNews@aol.com This is in response to "Of Linux, Unix, Red Hat Applixware and the Second Computer Revolution" in the Volume3, Number 4, February 1999 Louisville Computer News. I know this was written by Jerry Pournelle, but I would still like to comment. I also sent this letter to him. I will quote from the article and comment on each quote.
Is that not true for everything?
Unix has extensive documentation all over the Internet. Most (if not all) commands have a "man" page that explains all the options for that particular command, and some even include a brief history of the command. All you have to do is read. Last time I looked, that helped with learning Win9* too. Also, XWindows makes most tasks extremely easy.
The word "applications" is fairly vague, so Ill assume youre speaking of office applications such as MS Word, spreadsheets, etc... There are many office applications available for Linux. Corel even makes a WordPerfect port for Linux. If you visit: You will find tons of office applications for Unix/Linux. For example, Siag Office is a free, office package for Unix/Linux, including word processor, spreadsheet and presentation graphics. I find it pretty amusing that "Applixware" was mentioned in the title of the article, seeing as how that used to be RedHats Office Suite. Which, by the way, consists of a word processor, spreadsheet, e-mail client, HTML author and several other utilities. Dont believe me? InfoWorld Magazine (August 96) calls Applixware for LINUX "a must-have application suite for anyone who is serious about using or considering Linux as a productivity desktop or business development OS." Although RedHat software isnt directly selling this suite anymore, its still a good example. It is now called "Applix Office", and is available from www.applix.com.About games, several are available for the Linux platform, and game development for it is rising. LinuxGames.com has a huge list of games for Linux. To list a few: doom, quake, unreal, etc...
Youre right, its extremely good for text-based development, but youre wrong about GUIs. To name an example, Tcl/Tk is a great GUI development system, and its even cross platform. Also, there are quite a few projects under development to make programming in X (the Linux windowing system) extremely easy.
The interface of the KDE Window Manager ( www.kde.org) arguably blows away that of Windows. Plus, its free. With the KDE WM, you have a better interface than Windows, and the speed and reliability of Linux. KDE is very intuitive, and easy to learn.
I currently have a Pentium ll 400MHz/128MB SDRAM system running RedHat Linux, and the KDE WM. I do everything (and more) with this setup than I would do in Win9*.
Now, for a shameless plug: Know anyone that needs a Junior Linux/Unix Administrator? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com(The above is unchanged and unedited save for formatting; the original format wasn't acceptable for this web site. This thing was the very devil to format. Was that because it was composed on one of those wonderful Linux Word Processing Programs? It had odd non-ASCII characters, line feeds after each phrase or sometimes each word in some instances, and no double-carriage returns after some of the paragraphs so it wasn't even possible to use my new macro on it. If I were looking for a position as an administrator I would take much more care with the samples of my work that I distributed.) My reply, first to both the Louisville Computer News, whatever that is, and Mr. Smith: I am unaware of ever publishing anything in the Louisville Computer News. Certainly I gave no permission for any such publication, nor was I informed, as a courtesy or otherwise, that something I wrote was to be incorporated in the Louisville Computer News. I am not even sure what the Louisville Computer News IS. Can someone enlighten me? As to the substance of this odd reply, I see no point in commenting. I published my own observations on my own web site, and conducted a rather large discussion of what I said. There is no point in this rather contentious letter by Mr. Smith that wasn't covered better in the discussion in the place where the article he so objects to was published. I take it that the Louisville Computer News did not bother to give credit or the web site address so that Mr. Smith could go see what else had been said? Now for my notes on this letter. First, I doubt Mr. Smith is in fact a spokesman for the Linux Community although he pretty well claims to be. If he is, then the Linux Community has some problems: if this is the way journalists are to be treated when they write about Linux, with condescension and "read the manual you idiot" advice, then the number of people willing to write about Linux is likely to diminish. As well it should. Mostly, though, I am a bit irritated although hardly astonished, at the Louisville Computer News, which apparently didn't bother to tell where this was published so that people like Mr. Smith could go see what had already been said, and avoid wasting his time, mine, and presumably that of the Louisville Computer News. And I request, as a common courtesy, that if my copyrighted works are to be reprinted without my permission that I at least be told? If the Louisville Computer News wants to inquire about my reprint rates, I'll be glad to discuss it with them; but neither they nor anyone else has any right to simply copy my material and publish it no matter how interesting they find it (and I hope they do find it interesting). If the Louisville Computer News is a print publication, they certainly should have asked permission; and if they are a web publication, surely it would be enough to give a link to the page they quote? This doesn't leave me with a very warm feeling, about "the Linux Community" and it's self-appointed spokesman Zack Smith. But perhaps I am merely bilious this morning? And finally: I DETEST the practice of taking snippets out of context, quoting them and writing at length about each, then stringing the whole mess together as if that were some kind of coherent article. Few texts deserve that treatment. It produces something that may be satisfying to the ego of the commentor who did it, but is very hard to read, and almost certainly misrepresents whatever the text being commented on was trying to convey. At best it is discourteous. In this case the misreprestantaiton was obvious, and probably intentional, but whether the chopping was done by Mr. Smith or by the Louisville Computer News isn't entirely clear to me. The proper way to comment on a text is to quote it entirely, or refer to it so that the reader can find the original, and say something coherent, not chop into it tiny point by tiny point. But I suppose I expect too much. == Subject: Re earthlink and internetweather.com the site internetweather.com uses methods to probe traffic and response times that earthlink servers block out, so the sites 100% congestion reading is meaningless... Aaron Pressman [timeslip@tidalwave.net] Clearly you're right since Earthlink is working fine today and the Internet Weather Report still shows 100% losses. I would appreciate an explanation. I am not an Internet guru and I only heard of the weather report yesterday during the middle of my I Hate Earthlink experiences == Just a note to point out an interesting web site: http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/TreasureTroves.html The reference is to a site hosted by the University of Virginia for one of its graduate students, Eric Weisstein. He has written the ultimate math fanciers guide to mathematics: the "CRC Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics." I remember CRC handbooks from my college days and I always pause at Barnes &; Noble to leaf through one or more of the current editions. But I stumbled on this one when I searched the Internet for an article that described how to construct a regular heptadecagon (17 sides) with compass and straight edge. My oldest son is studying construction of simpler polygons in his middle school and we worked on one of his assignements one night. My interest was piqued when I remembered reading years ago about Gauss discovering how to construct an absurdly-large-number-of-sides polygon. Turned out to be 17 with proof that polygons with a number of sides equal to Fermat primes can be constructed (257 &; 65537!!!!). It also turns out that I found a better explanation of its construction at a different site, but the point is that *this* site has this terrific book...with all of it on-line! Anyway, the "CRC Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics" was put together by Mr. Weisstein in his spare time over the course of 10 years or so. Its about to be printed in its second edition at around 1970 pages for 80 bucks with a CD version in the works. His story of the making of the book makes interesting reading, too. Just thought youd be interested.
Neenah, WI Thanks. That does look interesting. I remember carrying the small math part of the rubber handbook while I was in high school, and the Big Rubber Handbook still sit on a stand next to the dictionary == Saw the thing in MAIL about the Louisville Computer News. I was curious and attempted to locate something on the web. Surely they have something like a web page. So far not! Ive only found the name at various Louisville web sites. The following link points to a description of the paper..... Thats right, it appears to be a free print publication! If youre interested get to the page and "find" Louisville Computer News. http://www.insiders.com/louisville/main-media.htm Found another page...... http://members.aye.net/~lcs/octnl.html Its an article from the Louisville Computer News. Check the copyright notice at the bottom!
gene By that notice, I guess I don't get to reprint my own article? Odd. I sure don't remember giving them reprint rights much less exclusive... == An interesting phenomenon, and another reason why people think several times about writing about certain subjects: Sir: In reply to a mail sent by someone else, you said: "The proper way to comment on a text is to quote it entirely, or refer to it so that the reader can find the original, and say something coherent, not chop into it tiny point by tiny point. But I suppose I expect too much." Since you have been online nearly as long as Ive been speaking in sentences, I would imagine that you have noticed that the usual rules for online discussion include the admonition to quote only the specific parts to which one is replying. Probably Mr. Smith (though I cant speak for him, obviously) was doing his best to follow that rule, rather than the normal rules for printed material. BTW, this was sent from a Linux box...is the formatting decipherable? Randall Randall wolfkin@freedomspace.net | Libertarian webhost? www.freedomspace.net On a visible but distant shore, a new image of man;The shape of his own future, now in his own hands.Johnny Clegg. As for noticing that the usual rules are not to let anyone know where to find the original work, then to chop it up into small pieces and comment on each chunk: no, I had not noticed that this was a proper way to do things. Nor had I noticed would I have agreed. It is very easy to make someone appear foolish by taking things out of context. But then I would have thought most people would know that. I never suspected that Linux boxes were unable to send things in a decent format; just observed that Mr. Smith's was formatted about as badly as anything I have ever seen, and I couldn't resist the gibe given the subject of his mail. == You write: "I DETEST the practice of taking snippets out of context, quoting them and writing at length about each, then stringing the whole mess together as if that were some kind of coherent article." I think youre going to lose this fight. Furthermore, on Usenet, I think you *should* lose this fight. Why? Because any given medium has a "grain," a way that works particularly well versus a way that doesnt. Your own preference: "The proper way to comment on a text is to quote it entirely, or refer to it so that the reader can find the original, and say something coherent, not chop into it tiny point by tiny point. But I suppose I expect too much." ...is exactly what we all learned to do in high school and college. For paper text. For referenced articles. And it works wonderfully -- for referenced articles, which are written on a relatively slow time scale, and which are written with the expectation of remuneration (either cash or a good grade). It makes sense for me, the writer, to spend tons of time following the standard canons of woodpulp-net writing if Im being paid by the word or my grade depends on doing what the teacher wants. Usenet writing is not like that. First of all, theres a *lot* of stuff out there to comment on. Its like a "free university" going 24 hours a day, with seminars of wildly varying quality. If you plod through each response the way you did in college you will respond to about one item a week. Second, nobodys paying you to plod through stuff. Its your own time youre using, so if you spend enormous amounts of time on one thing, that time is just gone and with nothing but psychic satisfaction. Third, the *medium* SUPPORTS fast replies and re-replies instantaneous rebuttalwhile allowing *exact* quotation of the particular point being replied to. If you dont appreciate this point, youve never had to argue with a cranky parent, who first makes a point and then denies later having ever made it. Usenet is the authoritarians nightmare because there is *nowhere* to hide: if you said something, I can prove it, and I can quote it. Conversely, for those of us who *like* articulate fast argument, Usenets a dreamand styles of writing that allow efficient reply times are intrinsically desirable. I dont want to wait a week for an essay; by that time, swifter people will have said the things worth saying on a thread anyway. Fourth, theres just arisen a very broad consensus among even mature and intelligent users of the medium that to "quote it entirely" is poor form. I dont want to read 1500 words of you, or anybody, if whats being addressed is just *one* statement you made in all that logorhhea that comprised 35 words. I want the person arguing with you to precisely excise the particular, specific point that you made and that he or she disagrees with, and quote exactly that, so I dont find myself scrolling through pages and pages before seeing a much smaller amount of new text.. Fifth, the problem with referencing is that references on the Net are imprecise: I myself can and do cite URLs in my net writings, but if the one relevant section of the URL is much smaller than the total URL content, it makes sense, again, to excise and quote. To try to sum up: Usenet writing is qualitatively different from woodpulp writing. It is *capable* of supporting the texts one finds in paper publications, but it *enables* new forms of communication that are like nothing so much as articulate telepathy with perfect memory of any given text placed on the Net. From those new forms of communication you get new styles of debate, which have pretty much arisen by spontaneous consensus, and in fact have existed for many years on Usenetlong before it was popular. I suspect that the newer style of argument is fantastically annoying if youve grown accustomed to more sedate forms of discussion and youve just read yourself flamed in the new mode. But language changes, and thats not always bad. Otherwise, wed still be reciting, "Hwan in Aprille the springe shouers sote..." Erich Schwarz [schwarz@cubsps.bio.columbia.edu] --Erich I will refrain from showing you what I mean by chopping your statement up into tiny chunks, but I assure you it would be easy to make you appear an inarticulate dunce if I were to do so. Regarding USENET, my few visits there have shown a noise to signal ratio of unbearable size and I no longer bother. Now true: I have achieved the enviable situation of having highly intelligent readers willing to winnow the tiny spots of grain from the USENET mountains of chaff, and send them to me, so I don't have to read through all the noise. I make no doubt there are USENET groups in which intelligent information is exchanged. That I haven't found any is probably due to my lack of patience, plus having readers willing to send me information without my having to do it. You make one point worth commenting on: yes, if the notion is to comment on one and only one statement in an otherwise long piece, then of course one quotes only that; but that also implies some obligation to be fair in what was selected for comment, as well as give the refernce so the original can be examined in its entirety. In the instance I gave above, the context was a number of pages of dialogue in which I printed a very fair sample of the comments about what I wrote, including most of the refutory information. Of course what I was trying to do there was present a picture approximating reality, not merely score points. I can score points easily enough, but at my age I don't know what to do with the score. You basically defend discussion by snippet; the equivalent of government by sound bite. I suspect that's the way the world is moving, but you will pardon me if I question whether that's a good place to go?
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Wednesday 24 February 1999
I installed a new motherboard (Abit BH6) in my existing system. This board contains the Intel BX chipset which includes an Ultra DMA buss mastering drive controller. Remember that the entire rest of the system was older. Does this sound familiar? Incidentally, almost all of the BX chipsets are made here in Oregon at Fab 15 on process 854 (8" wafers, series 54- were up to 860 now on the Pentium III® ). When I fired up Win98 (it was on the existing hard disk) it reported all kinds of new hardware found and offered to install drivers. I let it do that, foolish as I am, and it trundled away for a while. Presently I got that nasty error message "cannot find file xxxx.xxx" please insert disk. Hit browse - the CDRom has disappeared. In the motherboard documentation - on CD, of course, - there is a note that says "if you install the Intel PCI Ultra DMA drivers your CDRom drive may not work if it isnt UDMA capable but you probably wont have any trouble. You will have trouble - believe it. I wound up putting the Windows 98 CD in the drive on another system in the network and copying it all over to the hard disk on the new system (after restoring everything all the way back to the beginning of the project). Oddly enough, the CDRom still worked when the system booted in DOS mode. Under Win98 it was GONE. It turns out that the windows Ultra DMA drivers and my older CDRom drive just didnt like each others company. DOS drivers were those which came with the drive and worked fine. Solution was to run out to CompUSA and pick up a Memorex Ultra DMA CDRom drive. Slapped that baby in there and all was well again. After all was done I ran that CeleronA up to 450MHz, added a Creative Banshee 16MB graphics board, Sound Blaster Live!, and were ready for games. This is the game system; critical data is NEVER kept on an overclocked system. Seems to be nice and stable, though, and the chip temperature never goes above about 47C. Moral: youd better heed those warnings in fine print about what MIGHT have a problem when you change things around.....
Thanks. Good information. In my case with the CYRIX nothing changed except that the CDROM drive vanished in the middle of a game (Total Annihilation if you must know) and never came back. Ever. Even the BIOS wouldn't see it. New drives are cheap enough that when I built a new machine I buy a modernized CDROM although once in a while I try to recycle an older one, with indifferent results. Thanks again. == I think you should have just one question for the Linux users: What are they trying to accomplish? Sure, youve said some things about Linux in frustration that they might not want to read about their pet OS. You frequently say some things about Windows that arent exactly flattering eitherI seem to remember one point last summer when you were having some problem with Windows 98 and you said you figured you should just chuck it all in favor of writing fiction. And, back when OS/2 was a factor, Im sure you had some not-so-nice things to say about it as well. All of this means just one thing: No OS is perfect. They all need work. Its admirable that the Linux crowd gets to its dirty work very quickly. But the Linux crowd needs to quit taking every criticism of their OS so blinking personally! Repeat after me, everyone: A criticism of Linux is not a criticism of me. Again. A criticism of Linux is not a criticism of me. If the Linux zealots want more mainstream acceptance of their OS, they need to learn to live with people writing about it. And if the writers keep all of Linuxs weaknesses as their own dirty little secrets, theres less chance of those problems getting fixed. There was a reason why Thomas Jefferson said that given the choice between government without newspapers and newspapers without government, hed take the latter. This coming from a man who was repeatedly crucified by the press he held so dear. If the goal is to get more mainstream acceptance, the time it takes to go bash any writer who dares write something negative is better spent polishing the install routines or getting KDE ready for prime time. Now, if the goal is to stop the current momentum so that Linux remains an underground, punk OS... I cant think of a better way to do it. But before doing that, maybe they should go ask OS/2 and Amiga users to compare present times to the early 1990s, back when both were still contenders. If this makes me a target for Linux zealots too, so be it. Dave Farquhar Microcomputer Analyst, Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod
Views expressed in this document are my own and, unless stated otherwise, in no way represent the opinion of my employer. Good points all. I have found that fulsome praise without noticing flaws is not the best way to promote a product, just as absolute condemnation is not the best way to talk kids out of doing drugs. When I was young my mother had a phrase: "Tell the truth and shame the devil." That's what I try to do: stay on the side of the angels but notice that even the saints have flaws
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Thursday February 25, 1999Subject: Honey vs vinegar The trail of abuse by self-righteous fanatics can be picked up in many locations. Dave Winer ( www.scripting.com) , who nobody can accuse of being a slave to Microsoft, recently felt compelled to put this on his site:"BTW, to people who send me mail asking when a Linux version of Frontier is coming, if you want a respectful answer, dont call the computers I use PeeCees. Only very immature people can dismiss hundreds of millions of users that way. Or maybe very stupid people. And if you send me a personal comment on this I will remember your name forever! People can be so intrusive. Simple message: MYOB. This is between me and the idiots who think they can win without working with Mac and Windows people." I believe it is the people who devote the least time to insulting others who get the most work done. Eric Pobirs [nbrazil@ix.netcom.com] Well, I tend to the same view. I get very weary of "Windoze" and the like. Although just at the moment I do wish I had ONE Windows machine that would shut down properly! Every darned one of them wants to hang on shutdown lately. Ah. Well. I remember Dave back when he wrote Think Tank. That's a while ago. == Firstly sorry if youve already heard this from thousands of people, but I wonder if the problem you have with formatting zip disks could possibly be Win98 formatting them Fat32 for some reason. A friend recently reported that he had ended up with a Fat32 formatted floppy that worked fine in his machine but of course anthing that wasnt 98 refused to touch it! Ive reformatted zip disks with an internal IDE drive under NT several times with no problems, both NTFS (I was experimenting!) and Fat16. Secondly, I had a very brief discussion with you a couple of months back about a type of crash in Word (many versions, but particularly 97) with lots of objects that leaves it unable to save to any disk, local or network. The only option was to copy everything to the clipboard, quit and reload word and paste it back. I tried to dig a little deeper to define the cause, but could never really tie it down - Office SR2A seems to have fixed it though. At 23 megs I wonder just what _isnt_ in there! Kim Kim Blackburn BEng d.w.k.blackburn.s98@cranfield.ac.uk I use the ZIP formatting utility, not the internal format command, and since of two W 98 systems neither can read disks formatted by the other, and in both cases the formatting comes out to 98 Megs rather than 100, I suspect there is something deeper at work here. But I can now say that an older Parallel Port external ZIP can format a Mac formatted ZIP just fine. All very odd. I'll put what I know together in a paragraph for the March column. Never had the WORD problem you describe. I'm still using SR1 and that works fine. I'll go direct to Office 2000 next build, I think. That seems to be getting very stable. == Now for Three Letters on Shutdown Problems: Jerry, One common problem with windows shutdown in a networked environment has to do with disconnecting with shared drives. For example, if a windows machine is mounting (or trying to mount) a shared resource on another networked machine that no longer exists, the machine can appear to not shut down properly. I think it may be that there is an exceptionally long timeout period if the disconnect fails and it gives the impression that the shutdown isnt working at all. Since you seem to be having this problem on all, or most of your windows machines, it may be that at one time in the past you had mapped a common network drive, on a server perhaps, on all of the machines. That server (or shared resource) no longer exists because it was replaced or renamed. Now when the machines try to shut down, they try to disconnect from that shared resource before they can cleanly shutdown and because the resource is no longer there it causes a problem. Check in My Computer for attached network resources with a red X thru the icon.
Searching for adventure on the Information Superhighway. That hasn't been my problem, but it is good advice. Thanks. But alas my shutdown difficulties seem a bit more persistent. I think in one case it's a Play's GIZMOS's problem; the version of GIZMOS I have seems to do things I don't want it to do.
Dear Jerry: Regarding your troubles shutting Windows 9x down, when was the last time you ran the Norton Utilities WinDoctor, SpeedDisk, and Optimizer on these systems? I know it takes quite a little time, and I forget to do it for weeks at a time, but in many instances little glitches and odd behaviors just vanish afterwards... at least until NEW odd behaviors and little glitches develop. All the best, waiting on pins &; needles for the "good news:" Clinton resigns? World peace? Faster than light drive? One can only hope... Tim Tim Loeb [tallan@uninets.net] Those are great utilities, but one of the big frustrations I have is that the WIN 95b system won't shut down and sometimes mysteriously crashes, but Norton does NOT find anything whatever wrong. I have plenty of disk space on that system, and I have optimized the disk. I've copied all that machine's files and I'm going to do drastic things to it; first though an attempt to reinstall Windows 95b.
I just went through the same thing [systems not shutting down properly] with a friends computer. After trying everything (including formatting and reinstalling Windows 95b) I finally stumbled an a solution. In CMOS I changed the memory settings from the default (Auto Detect) settings to a slower setting. No problems since then. The way to do this differs depending on the BIOS maker and version - in this system the change was from Auto Detect to Normal (the choices being Auto Detect, Turbo, Fast and Normal). Ive also found that, with some newer motherboards, the CDROM is more stable if you manually change the PIO mode from Auto (which is usually Mode 4) to 2 or 3. Claud Addicott Claud Addicott [ats@laker.net] This I have not tried, and I will; I am not even sure there IS such a BIOS setting on the W95 machine, but if so, I'll be glad to do it, because the purpose of that machine is to be stable for Niven when he works here, and incidentally to make CDROMS since it has the RICOH Media Master drive. When it works, it works just fine; but it won't shut down properly and once in a while, just sitting there doing NOTHING, it crashes with a blue screen. That may be a memory error, and memory speed may be the problem, and I will give this a try. I have however since the last blue screen done a partial reinstall of W95b, and so far it has not crashed in some hours, so I may have fixed the most vexing problem without quite knowing how I did it. Ah well.
Dr. Pournelle, Having been a long time reader of your column I find your insights and general method of doing things pretty much normal. Your sufferings are typical of the average user trying to get all this computer stuff to work together in some sane manner. Anyway, I too suffered the problems that you are having with the systems not wanting to shutdown. This has happened to me on a couple of occasions, but with different scenarios. This is on a new (4 months old) Pentium II 450 Mhz from G2K, generally very good equipment. The first scenario is that WIN98 would not shut down, kept the wallpaper on the screen and just sort of sat there. I had to use the reset button to get it to go away. This went on for about 4 days. Then I tried to print something. Nothing happened. No print dialogue box, nothing. I decided to go into the control panel and look at the printers. That would not work either. I then ran Norton Utilities System Doctor. It finished and only found one error in the registry about a shortcut being incorrect so I let Norton fix the registery. I then shut down the system (it hung as usual). But when I started the system back up everything worked normally, printers, and proper shut down. I surmise that it was the spooler process and something was damaged in the registry that NU was able to resolve, althought it did not indicate such a problem. The next time the problem shutting down the system arrived was hardware based. The system is supposed to have automatic power down. Well it would shut down and then would just sit with a blank screen, no power off. I looked back over what I had done. I had installed a Mitsumi CD-R. I then suspected a problem with the drivers although WIN98 had not requested any drivers. I called Mitsumi tech support, spent a lot of time on hold, and then go dumped into a voice mail system. I dutifully left a message figuring that I would never get a call back. I was wrong. The next day Mitsumi called me (and even during the hours that I specified). They gave me instructions and a firmware update to the CD-R via EMAIL. I installed the firmware update and my shutdown problems dissappeared. Two things I learned from this is that sometimes hardware can cause the problem, why I dont know. The second thing is that Mitsumi tech support is better than most. I would recommend Mitsumi purely from the their tech support and the fact that they returned my call. The tech knew what he was talking about, provided a response, a response that fixed the problem. Congratulations Mitsumi. I would be surprised if this was your problem. But I thought that I would let you know what solved my problem. Thanks! This is probably not my problem, but you never know: with the Win95b system that is giving me so much trouble, the blue screen error -- which I am getting again -- specifies a problem in the SCSIPORT VXD, and of course on that SCSI are both the CDROM and the Ricoh Mediamaster CD/R drive. Those work, but the system don't shut down properly, and I do get the blue scree. Next step is to remove the SCSI drivers entirely and let Windows reinstall === Dear Jerry, thanks for being online. I was going through a particular bad bout of Chaos Manor withdrawl when I decided to do a search for "Jerry Pournelle" on the net. Et voila I found you!! BTW, in reading through your online mail messages I found the 1-800-232-2983 number for Byte Subscribers to call (CMP). I highly recommend calling as they answer the phone with "Hi this Byte Magazine, how can I help you" which is really refreshing to hear after all these months (truly, I must be going through major withdrawl if that perks me up!!). Anyway, to cut to the chase the nice young women who answered informed me that Byte Magazine would be resuming as an online publication sometime this quarter.... but she had no details. I am eagerly looking forward to it whenever and wherever it resurfaces. Its been toooooo long. Cheers, and many thanks again for not abandoning the Byte community.... youve done yourself proud!
http://www.mcms.dal.ca/gorgs/phru/index.htm Well, I was waiting to let them make the announcement, although I have said a few words on this to subscribers. BYTE is coming back, as an on-line magazine. I don't know what all will be in it, but they have contracted for my column, and at a generous rate, too. We hope to be doing show awards also. They're talking to some of the other BYTE editors. I have been quite favorably impressed by the editorial people I've spoken with. I don't have the details, although I make no doubt there will be a steady stream of them coming out if they're now giving this out on the telephone. The impact on this web site will be minimal. At the moment you read the column here; in future, where you would normally find it here, you will find a link to their site. They will almost certainly have advertisements there. I won't have anything to do with those, which is what I have wanted: I don't like having to go sell ads or have someone do it for me. And needless to say, CMP assures me of my usual editorial independence. Thanks to the subscribers this site has been kept open, and assuming I continue to get enough subscriptions to justify the actual expenses of keeping this place going (as opposed to the research and editorial costs of producing the column and paying for my time) I'll keep this experiment going. The result should be that the experience here will be unchanged for most of you, while I will have some resources to work with, including press credentials for my staff (I have never had any problems on that score, but I do worry about how many people I can accredit by myself). Watch this space for details. === Just a suggestion but your registry might be corruptedleaving Win9x fumbling arround and effectively perpetuating the errors in the backup copies of the registry. One possible cure for this is to boot to "safe mode DOS prompt" and run the DOS version of REGEDIT and export the registry to a text file. Then, after saving system.dat and user.dat (and system.da0 and user.da0) somewhere safe on the hard drive, delete them. Finally re-run the DOS version of REGEDIT and import the previous text file. For some reason this process will dump phantom settings in the registry and generally clean up entries. It also seems that ONLY the DOS version does this. I have found it to work for me on several Win9x system with "strange" behavior. Of course there are no guarantees -- I still cant get my personal system (WIN95c 2.5) to stop searching for the floppy drives on bootup and the first time I open anything (program, menu, etc.) that has a pointer to the floppy drive. I figure Im lucky, though, as the system hasnt crashed on me in 2 months and its up 10hrs. a day 7 days a week. (Course 50% of the time its probably sitting there like a expensive space heater)
Thanks. I'll try that. I've tried everything else, including deleting the SCSI device and letting that reinstall. That may or may not have eliminated the blue screen crashes-- haven't had one since I did that, and I don't know how to cause one -- but it still won't shut down properly. Let's see if this does it Nope. Sure takes a while to export that registry with DOS though! Thanks... Dear Jerry, I had the same problem with my Win95b system. Turning off all power management solved the problem, until I installed WinFax PRO, as long as the controller is running the system hangs at shutdown. If I manually exit the controller no shutdown problems. I was able to duplicate this problem on both my sisters and cousins machines. The system also will not shutdown if AOL is running.
Thanks. I think I have turned off all the power management, but I am not sure; it's certain that if I leave power management on at all I'll blue screen. I will have to look in the BIOS and see if it's off in there, too. This is infuriating, but I suppose it's endurable.
If your computer uses Advanced Power Management, its possible that it is conflicting with memory. In the Control Panel, call up the Power icon and uncheck the Allow Windows to manage power use on this computer. Shutdown Windows and see if the problem is gone. I can duplicate the shutdown problem whenever windows is trying to manage the power. Part two Anytime I have more than three programs running in the little icon tray windows wont shut down, This is also a repeatable phenomenon. BTW programs that run in the background (can only be seen with ctrl+alt+Delete) have the same effect. It took a long time figuring out a fix for this problem. I went back and looked at my logs (that I never would have started if not for Chaos Manor Byte column) and learned that this took three calls to HPs tech support and a guy named Tom helped me with the solution. This computer would not shut down out of the box. That was two years ago and Ive duplicated the problem on a Gateway and a Compaq, so Id say the problems was in Windows. But, Ive seen a Win95 system with 8 programs running in the system tray shut down like its supposed to.
I long ago disabled the Windows power management. There is stuff in the tray. But whatever I have done seems to have removed the blue screen instability, so I can live with improper shutdown. Thanks. ==
Chuck Wingo
Jerry, Logged onto your site today using the new Neoplanet browser, and out of curiosity hit their "Whats Related" button. The sites it pops up as related to yours include two about Mr. Heinlein, two about Larry Niven, one about Stanislaw Lem, and one about the new animated Tarzan movie from Disney. (???) Makes me wonder who it was that "classified" your site, and how. At least you seem to be in good company. If youre interested, these are the links The RAH Homepage http://www.ns.net/~gifford/
The Quotable Heinlein http://www.vitalnet.com/heinlein/
Rendering Ringworld http://www.rahul.net/rootbear/graphics/ringworld/
Known Space http://members.xoom.com/Knownspace/
Stanislaw Lem http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/spreer/Lem.html
Walt Disneys Tarzan http://disney.go.com/DisneyPictures/Tarzan/
That's weird, but as you say, seems to be good company. Ah well. ==
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Saturday February 27, 1999Subject: Altavista DOES return Lisa Myers interview results. Jerry, Im a big Alta Vista fan, but it does contain a few "gotchas". One of these is case sensitivity: lower case matches anything, while upper case matches only upper case (this is mentioned a ways down on their Help page, but who ever reads it?). In the Alta Vista query you reproduced in the View page, all your search words were capitalized, including the +Interview term. I tried out your search, and got 86 results without seeing what you seemed to be looking for among the initial hits. Changing +Interview to lower case and trying out the search +Lisa +Myers +interview +Clinton returned 313 hits, with the number 1 hit being the NY Times article that broke open the floodgates and "allowed" NBC to broadcast the interview. I DO agree with your general sense of frustration with the various search engines, though. It seems that the economic pressure to become "portal" sites may be interfering with the development of better user interfaces for actual searches. Of course, making someone try again and again to get the desired search results DOES increase the "stickyness", and thus profitability, of the site...
Thanks. I confess I haven't got used to the searches. So many people find things for me that a great part of my web surfing consists of looking at things recommended, and then some of the news services I get give me more; so when I search it's not so often, and guess I didn't catch on to the Case Sensitivities. I'll be more aware in future. Meanwhile I finally found the interview or at least the story in the Washington Post which was what I really wanted. == Windows 98 doesn't shut down properly I dont mean to be flippant, but what exactly do you expect from software that is only "good enough"? I have yet to have one of my personal systems shut down properly consistently, from Windows 3.11 on up through the chain, and I dont use any beta software either, though I do use a variety of brand of hardware. John Dvorak said it first, when it quits, restart and go on like it was normal, and accept it. We can toss around our suspicions amongst ourselves, but the only resolution will come from Microsoft. We, as the computer community in general, need to demand better quality. If my trousers burst at the seams everytime I undid the zipper, Id soon look for another vendor. But we dont have the choice here, because Microsoft has pretty much driven the competition away. I think Windows itself was the original Push technology. WindowsNT, on the other hand, is a step in the right direction. Hopefully MS continues only a step at a time, and doesnt leap over important steps ( I fear Win2000 may be the beginning of the leaping). George Laiacona III Well, I expect it to be a little better than this; and I have spend 20 years trying to drive software including Microsoft software into directions I want it to do. Sometimes I manage. In part, by telling the truth to shame the devil... == I seem to remember reading recently on your site that Amazon.com were in financial difficulty and yet this evening I have looked at a report published on the ZDNET site indicating that far from being broke, they are an extremely healthy and propserous company. Clearly if my recollection is correct, somebody has their facts seriously wrong. Perhaps you might be able to clarify the position. The ZDNET reference is: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,216749,00.html I look forward to your comments.
Not me. Amazon has capital out the wazoo. What they don't have yet is profits, but then they don't need them. I have pointed out that it is odd that Amazon is valued at higher than Barnes and Noble, or The New York Times enterprises, but odd or not, they certainly do not lack for investment funds. It's my understanding that they intend to become the Sears of the web, and they may well make it. But I sure never hinted they were in any kind of 'financial difficulty.'
Amazon and computer stocks From: Kit Case [kitcase@netutah.com] Dr. Pournelle, The exchange about Amazons capitalization/profitability got me thinking about the article in the business section of Newsweek < www.newsweek.com/nw-srv/printed/us/bz/bz0509_1.htm> about the recent drop in Dells stock. Which occurred despite their continued profitability. Their revenues were only up 38%. It goes into the math of the situation (what the buyers expect) using the compound interest expression (doesnt print the expression, describes its effects).Also, the "Last Word" column by George Will ( www.newsweek.com/nw-srv/printed/us/dept/lw/front.htm) is an interesting extension/addition to the alt.mail discussions on the Imperialization of America.Kit Case Thanks. It's a very interesting phenomenon all around. == I just read your annual onions and orchids piece and it got me thinking about the tools I find most valuable on a daily basis. I'm an independent I/T consultant working in Toronto running my own small business. As such, I have a lot of test machines in my home and office LANs so I can simulate any hard/software scenario with which I come into contact when visiting clients. One can't be an expert at absolutely everything from the top of one's head. Sometimes a little research is required. I require machines running Win95, Win98, WinNT Workstation 4, WinNT Server 4, Novell, Linux, and at least one test box for rebuilding and debugging. (As an aside, I joined the MSDN Universal Subscription when I became an MCSE so I could have access to the appropriate Microsoft resources. This is by far the best deal in software around if you're an independent developer. It isn't cheap (approx $4000 CDN), but you won't want for any Microsoft patches, versions, SDKs or development information.) As you can see, I'd need atleast 7 machines to create a test lab to fit my requirements. Both the cost and electricity bills resulting from running 7 separate desktops didn't seem like a very good idea. My pick then, for most useful product, is the removable hard drive bay. There are a few different manufacturers of removable bays, and all work very well. They cost about $30CDN a pop (probably a lot cheaper where you live), and are invaluable. They load in a front bay of the system and have a handle and a lock to make removal really fast and easy. With hard disk prices so low, it makes sense to build a different OS on each drive and swap them in and out of your machine as your needs change. It certainly saves a lot of money on building (or - gasp - buying from a manufacturer) loads of new PCs. They come both in IDE and SCSI flavours. They're especially helpful if you want to experiment with several different builds of Linux without losing your previous build when trying out the next one. Removable hard disk bays can really help a small developer get more out of his/her small LAN at a very low cost. If you haven't experimented with these devices, I recommend you do and, if you like them, give em a plug in your next column. Cheers. Elliot Johnson. Interesting notion. On the other hand, hard drives are beginning to cost less and less all the time. They're now all about $200 US for any size you can get, but then there are all the smaller ones around at swap meets and such. But if you need a number of machines with the same OS but not all at once, a removable bay is a very good idea indeed. Thanks.
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Sunday February 28 1999If you have a chance, check out NeoPlanet, a nifty add-on/shell for IE, available free from http://www.neoplanet.com - I dont usually like this sort of thing, but Ive been won over.NeoPlanet gives one a number of choices as to the look and feel of IE; they have several different schemes available which control the appearance of the browser. Theyve also built natural-language search engine support into their add-on, and support channels for various sorts of content. I personally turn the channels feature off, and I dont use their supplied email client, but continue to use Outlook. Nonetheless, Ive found NeoPlanet to be a useful add-on for IE, and I might add that it works very well with both IE 4.01 SP-1 and IE 5.0 beta. Roland Dobbins < roland_dobbins@yahoo.com>Thanks. I'll try to have a look. If I get a minute free
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